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11 Apr 2011, 7:08 pm

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the History Channel had run an interesting documentary


Now THAT'S noteworthy!


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a few years ago


But less so now.


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11 Apr 2011, 7:09 pm

Even Glenn Beck admits man is having an impact on climate change "off camera" in a USAweekend interview.

http://www.usaweekend.com/article/20100219/ENTERTAINMENT01/100218001/Don-t-judge-Beck-by-his-cover

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He believes in global warming

“You’d be an idiot not to notice the temperature change,” he says. He also says there’s a legit case that global warming has, at least in part, been caused by mankind. He has tried to do his part by buying a home with a “green” design and using energy-saving products. “I’m willing to do anything but use the CFLs,” he says of compact fluorescent light bulbs. “I put them in once and couldn’t stand the way they lit up the room.”


I wonder how many other journalists on Fox would admit something like this?

The ultimate impact that man has on the environment remains to be seen, and may never be fully understood in terms of the other factors involved.

There is a new study out that was reported in the science journal Nature that the sixth major extinction of life on the planet is underway: "a threat that is man-made, inflicted by habitation loss, over-hunting, over-fishing, the spread of germs and viruses and introduced species, and by climate change caused by fossil-fuel greenhouse gases, says the study".

It is disasters like this that we don't think affect us because we continue to see the prosperity and propogation of our species on the planet. Many pay no mind to the fact that we as animals are of no more value to the environment than any other primate, and that we have nowhere to escape, if the balance of nature no longer welcomes us.

We don't have to see the effects of flooding of our coasts or anything else geographically significant to be fully impacted, by other environmental impacts, like a bacteria or virus that we might play a part in propogating, which we have no ability to control.

Balance of nature is left wing science, because it goes against right wing tradition that man has dominion over all living things and the earth.

If this tradition continues, the effect of going against it could be political suicide, but the effect of staying with it in "a grand 'ole proud" manner, may lead to the end of most, if not all of us.

Even Glenn Beck understands part of this problem. A possible indicator that he is not the patriarch he portrays in his TV show.



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11 Apr 2011, 7:22 pm

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climate change disbelief long ago moved from skepticism to denialism, and the leaders of it are now heading in the direction of conspiracy theorism.

Pretty much, it seems to be heading towards: "Global Warming is a pinko commie liberal propaganda".



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11 Apr 2011, 7:26 pm

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And yet I can't imagine most scientists voting for the Republicans. I'm planning on going into physics myself and I am quite left-wing.


Republicans favor war and war is incentive to fund scientific projects (applied science, not theoretical).

Our military needs are the reason we have GPS. World War II made radar the major thing that it is. The e-mail and the internet were originally motivated by military applications. War is good for science funding.

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Well, I can't speak for all scientists, but I'm kind of a pacifist, so whether war results in research funding or not I would never vote for anyone who is militaristic. Money should be spent on research regardless of whether you are at war or not.



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11 Apr 2011, 10:35 pm

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Balance of nature is left wing science, because it goes against right wing tradition that man has dominion over all living things and the earth.
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Why not?

stronger species DOMINATE weaker species

it is called darwinism



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11 Apr 2011, 10:38 pm

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stronger species DOMINATE weaker species

That's actually not necessarily true.

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it is called darwinism

How much evolutionary biology have you actually studied? I would be willing to bet that it was nothing more than a lecture or two in an intro-level course you took at a government-run high school.


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11 Apr 2011, 10:40 pm

LibertarianAS wrote:
aghogday wrote:

Balance of nature is left wing science, because it goes against right wing tradition that man has dominion over all living things and the earth.
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Why not?

stronger species DOMINATE weaker species

it is called darwinism


Evolutionary theory fail

Its not about strength, its about the right traits at the right time. Mammals were weaker then dinosaurs and yet now they dominate the world because their penchant for burrowing to avoid dangerous predators (among other reasons) let them survive an asteroid impact and the subsequent impact winter. There are many other examples of 'weak' species 'winning'. Then again, do mammals really 'dominate'? What is the most numerous, dangerous type of organism on the Earth? It certainly is not Man


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11 Apr 2011, 10:46 pm

ok i'll take my gun and kill some cow

How can you stop me without using violence?

you can't



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11 Apr 2011, 10:49 pm

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ok i'll take my gun and kill some cow

How can you stop me without using violence?

you can't

LOL Wow great point!

How could I stop you without violence? I would point out that somebody owns that cow, and that you'll owe them money if not get in trouble with the law for destroying that property. Since you probably aren't interested in paying for said cow, or spending the evening in jail, you will probably go home and sulk like a good lunatic


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11 Apr 2011, 10:50 pm

Vigilans wrote:
LibertarianAS wrote:
ok i'll take my gun and kill some cow

How can you stop me without using violence?

you can't

LOL Wow great point!

How could I stop you without violence? I would point out that somebody owns that cow, and that you'll owe them money if not get in trouble with the law for destroying that property. Since you probably aren't interested in paying for said cow, or spending the evening in jail, you will probably go home and sulk like a good lunatic


I was speaking about an unowned cow

obviously I respect property rights(unlike you socialist)



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11 Apr 2011, 10:52 pm

What the hell does shooting a cow have to do with anything that was previously being discussed?

You're a loon, you know that?


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11 Apr 2011, 10:55 pm

Vigilans wrote:

Its not about strength, its about the right traits at the right time. Mammals were weaker then dinosaurs and yet now they dominate the world because their penchant for burrowing to avoid dangerous predators (among other reasons) let them survive an asteroid impact and the subsequent impact winter. There are many other examples of 'weak' species 'winning'. Then again, do mammals really 'dominate'? What is the most numerous, dangerous type of organism on the Earth? It certainly is not Man


A cosmic disaster about 65 million years ago gave mammals a leg up.

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11 Apr 2011, 10:55 pm

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What the hell does shooting a cow have to do with anything that was previously being discussed?

It's the underlying metaphor undergirding this discussion.



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11 Apr 2011, 10:56 pm

LibertarianAS wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
LibertarianAS wrote:
ok i'll take my gun and kill some cow

How can you stop me without using violence?

you can't

LOL Wow great point!

How could I stop you without violence? I would point out that somebody owns that cow, and that you'll owe them money if not get in trouble with the law for destroying that property. Since you probably aren't interested in paying for said cow, or spending the evening in jail, you will probably go home and sulk like a good lunatic


I was speaking about an unowned cow

obviously I respect property rights(unlike you socialist)


How do you get the idea that I don't respect property rights, considering I just criticized you for not respecting property rights? Crazy idiot


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11 Apr 2011, 10:57 pm

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I was speaking about an unowned cow

obviously I respect property rights(unlike you socialist)

How many unowned cows do you know of?



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11 Apr 2011, 10:59 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
LibertarianAS wrote:
I was speaking about an unowned cow

obviously I respect property rights(unlike you socialist)

How many unowned cows do you know of?


Seriously. Cows are domesticated... I'll let this slide though. He can change it to another example, like monitor lizard. How will I stop him from killing a monitor lizard without violence?
I would probably let a really nasty fart rip. That would clear him out real fast


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