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13 Apr 2011, 11:46 am

I know everyone has thier problems and worries but i think for people with aspergers and who are on the spectrum things are harder to deal with.

NT i find besides having far better social skills also can funciton better people with HFA and Aspergers? What is it about NT brains that can make them function better? Is it because the world is designed or NTs and things don't seem so complicated or is it becuase they don't think so much or have as high of anxietys. I think they can switch off thier brains easier than autistic person would.

I heard something about NTs minds being control by thier concioussness which makes life easier that and they can also drift through on auto pilot.

Also why are small things big things to us aspies? is it just differences in the way the brain is wired?



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13 Apr 2011, 12:25 pm

My theory is that since the world is mostly NT, the culture that gets built up around us favors the NT thinking patterns. So an NT person lives in an environment that is optimized for the way they think. But an autistic person thinks differently and has to "translate" the environment from "NT think" to "autistic think". That act of translation takes time and energy, and the translation is never perfect. Additionally, once translated to "autistic", it is thought upon by an autistic mind, using autistic modes of cognition, arriving at autistic conclusions. These autistic conclusions must then be translated back into "NT", taking additional time and energy and adding even more translation error.


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13 Apr 2011, 1:00 pm

wavefreak58 wrote:
My theory is that since the world is mostly NT, the culture that gets built up around us favors the NT thinking patterns. So an NT person lives in an environment that is optimized for the way they think. But an autistic person thinks differently and has to "translate" the environment from "NT think" to "autistic think". That act of translation takes time and energy, and the translation is never perfect. Additionally, once translated to "autistic", it is thought upon by an autistic mind, using autistic modes of cognition, arriving at autistic conclusions. These autistic conclusions must then be translated back into "NT", taking additional time and energy and adding even more translation error.


+1 :thumleft:

If the majority of people were autistic, society would be different, and the way things worked would be optimised for us. It would be NTs - who, of course, would no longer be "typical", either - who would struggle.


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13 Apr 2011, 1:28 pm

Jamesy wrote:
I think they can switch off thier brains easier than autistic person would.


I agree with that. I can switch off my logical mind and banter with people sometimes. I feel as though I'm engaging the social part of my mind though, so I wouldn't say "shut off their brains" but I understand what you mean. NTs can do it most of the time, but they too can overthink it and get stuck in their heads. That's why they might say "Oh, well anyone can get inside their head and not know what to say next, anyone can get nervous at a party" It's true; they CAN, it's just usually not a constant mental struggle for them NOT to. And if it is a constant struggle, that person may still not have the other detriments caused by AS.



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13 Apr 2011, 3:46 pm

Having aspergers is like being a n****r at a clan rally.



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13 Apr 2011, 4:04 pm

Surfman wrote:
Having aspergers is like being a n****r at a clan rally.


Well, that's a rather dramatic simile. But it makes a point.


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13 Apr 2011, 4:27 pm

wavefreak58 wrote:
Surfman wrote:
Having aspergers is like being a n****r at a clan rally.


Well, that's a rather dramatic simile. But it makes a point.


(! !!) I've had that though too, but let me voice my take on it. It's more like being a biracial mullatto at a clan rally.

You can fit in with some, but you have to lie to get by. You have to blame your complexion on polish or italian ancestry, so you can still pass for white. You have to constantly straighten your hair. You have to ape the white vernacular so people don't get suspicious. And, in spite of all these efforts, you have to accept that some people won't overlook your appearance, no matter how hard you try.



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13 Apr 2011, 4:37 pm

well, there is one thing a read a while ago that offers an explination for this effect, and also many other aspie/autistic traits.
(i cant post links yet; if interested, google for 'neanderthal theory')
the gist of it is that aspies/autistics are actually decendants from the neantherthals while normal humans evolved from the "cro-magnon" or 'early human'.
this results in the effect that aspies do have social skills and reading abilities, just as neurotypicals do, but we use a different language for it, meaning we just dont 'get' neurotypical silent communication, and they dont get ours.

look at this as a hearing person using hand signals in his speach speak (yes, speak) with a deaf person; a bit exaggerated, but a comparable effect.



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13 Apr 2011, 10:56 pm

I think the analogy of a computer operating system is revelent here.

Aspies run operating system software that has little available applications or add ons, whereas NT's run Microsoft, and have most other software available to their machines.

Hence they can do more than aspies who cannot get drivers or media players etc



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14 Apr 2011, 1:13 am

theWanderer wrote:
wavefreak58 wrote:
My theory is that since the world is mostly NT, the culture that gets built up around us favors the NT thinking patterns. So an NT person lives in an environment that is optimized for the way they think. But an autistic person thinks differently and has to "translate" the environment from "NT think" to "autistic think". That act of translation takes time and energy, and the translation is never perfect. Additionally, once translated to "autistic", it is thought upon by an autistic mind, using autistic modes of cognition, arriving at autistic conclusions. These autistic conclusions must then be translated back into "NT", taking additional time and energy and adding even more translation error.


+1 :thumleft:

If the majority of people were autistic, society would be different, and the way things worked would be optimised for us. It would be NTs - who, of course, would no longer be "typical", either - who would struggle.


I fail to see how a non-autistic person could be disabled by how a society is run. They are more adaptable to changes in the environment.
An autistic society would be low sensory, barely changing, with barely any communication among the locals. It would not work.


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14 Apr 2011, 3:18 am

Aspieville is a fake? I'm not so sure

Most communications NT's do is a waste of time anyways (sorry Hale Bopp!)

Depends on the level of function I suppose, I'm extremely industrious, had multiple properties, multi tasker, multi skilled