The reason we have Poverty in the U.S.

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The tax dogger Philip Green comes to mind & that swine works for our government.

Wait, this thread is serious? I thought he was joking...this reminds me of my special interest...a certain cartoon specifically...

At this moment, my family is struggling to stay in the middle class.

A U.S. politician once said that poor people deserve to be poor because they don't work hard enough to be paid the money they need to not be poor (despite most poor people are seen working two or three jobs to make ends meet but to no avail and I bet it doesn't even impress the guy).

Does that mean that my family deserves the debt we're in because we don't work hard enough for the money to pay it off?

I would love to meet the politician who said the working poor deserves to be poor so I can introduce him to my father, who happens to be going through some baggage right now, and then I can watch my father beat the living **** out of him because NO ONE CALLS MY FAMILY LAZY!! ! We're working harder than we've ever worked before, and yet, no one is impressed.

The reason there are poor people in this country is very simple. Too much greed. Too much money hoarding. Not enough money in circulation. Likely there is enough money for nearly everyone to be at least upper middle class if it weren't for the hoarders and greedy ones that make that impossible.

Yeah... when the benefits get cut, it's folks expressing sentiments like this that are going to end up in my soup pot.

@RhodyStruggle: This thread is over 4 years old, and thus that person may not be around anymore, to respond to you. Just thought you'd wanna know.....

ruveyn is still around, I saw him post a week ago or something like that.

This has got to be the dumbest thing you've ever posted, ruveyn. The first statement is an EPIC FAIL due to circular reasoning.


Also, if I were starving and had no money to buy food nor would anyone willingly give it to me, the first thing I'd do would be to go into a grocery store and start eating food there. Obviously I'd get arrested for shoplifting but at least they have free meals in jail!

There is very little correlation between "hard work" and pay.

Think about it logically, if you are efficient, smart you will get more pay for less work. You could always do more work to get even more pay, but that is up to that individual.

Obviously you're a genius....that is clearly the best most efficient way to deal with poverty...

Not exactly....they might resort to desperate measures that would be more harmful than say having a social safety network.

If some one can get busy and work, then he won't die. And if he can't and does die then we don't have him as a burden anymore. It is not bullsh*t. It is simply a rational incentive to be productive. The first step is to eliminate minimum wages so there is some incentive to hire the dregs of humanity. It might even transform them into human beings.

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And how do you define productive? encouraging society to just sweep poverty under the rug....and let people die from being in poverty to hopefully kill off the poor....yes you are the epitome of productive obviously.

Middle class: go elsewhere.

You can and will be replaced by much cheaper labor.

...I would presume some (only read th' starter post) some facetious/sarcastic intent here ! !! !! !! !! !!

No necessarily facetious ...

"If you’re poor, just stop being poor".

QFF:

'Quoted For False':

'If you're poor, just stop being poor'

Ah, only if it is that simple; and perhaps at one time it is easier; but automation and globalization decreases the choices, at least in the U.S.

Anyone who lives more than four decades and keeps their eye on many occupations, can usually see the clear common sense of this.

Specialists are now replaced by multi-taskers, and of course the greatest multi-taskers are computers, as human beings, generally speaking, are not evolved as multi-taskers; in fact, productivity falls off for humans when multi-tasking, while obviously, this IS WHAT computers excel over human beings, per multi-tasking, in cheaper and faster ways.

And one reason for misery and suffering in measure of human health is ergonomics and the fact that humans are not evolved to sit in fixed seated or standing positions, all day, every day, to operate a machine at the Ford or Chevrolet manufacturing site that is now been replaced more by automated machines; OR sitting behind a computer fixed in one position for 8 or more hours a day. The result of that IS ERGONOMIC INJURY, in measures ranging from neck and back pain, to cardiovascular disease, AND a potential eventual SHORTER LIFE.

And this particularly applies to beyond work, in so-called play, as people now, generally speaking, are physical slaves to Entertainment based 'activity' on a couch or chair, and an electronic device, of some kind.

There are multiple synergistic ramifications of a human being attempting to operate more like a machine than human, and a machine replacing much of the workforce by the simple math of computer does the work of 100 employees and 'humans no longer need apply'.

That's truly simple math, for folks who understand math.

And the bottom line is, the social welfare state, per who gets a freer ride, will either have to grow or anarchy will be the result, as the selfish folks who are making money off of machines vs human beings will not change, as selfish people are part of human nature, as well, for folks who can never get 'filled-up', by positive emotions; through cold hearts not loved by a mother or father too busy working, social abuse, or whatever else drives folks to things rather than people and the rest of 'nature'.

Yes, we have poverty in this country.

A growing poverty of cold hearts that are becoming more machine-like through practicing mechanical/problem solving cognition over social/empathic cognition, where people value money, things, and power more than their human nature, and others, INCLUDING THE REST OF NATURE AKA GOD, PER human connection.

And truly, if anything is insane in our world; that truly is insane, AS mechanical cognition, which includes mind and body balance, per sitting or standing still doing anything, is doing the same thing over and over, in terms of Einstein's definition of insanity, who sticks HIS tongue out at TRULY INSANE culture, too, like Miley Cyrus.

Humans are evolved to continuously move and change to environmental challenges and connect to other human beings and the rest of 'nature', in flesh and blood ways.

And that poverty is measured easily, in statistics ranging from school age children assessed at numbers as high as one- third now with type two pre-diabetics;

TO CLOSE to half the adult population taking some kind of pain killer associated with chronic stress, which IS DIRECTLY RELATED to sitting or standing still all day with stress STUCK BEHIND a computer, not being able to move to burn off the stress related hormones in the blood stream, which science shows NOW, IS A 'KILLER';

TO SKYROCKETING rates of psychotropic drugs for depression and anxiety; AND somatic pain related disorders, which is caused by the similar issues of chronic stress and ergonomic injury related disorders.

Yeah, we sure have poverty in the U.S.; poverty of well being measured easily by science; from poverty of emotions that drive human action and happiness, to the poverty of health that is a direct and indirect result of the same; in terms of human stress, suffering and misery.

More POWER GOES TO THE FOLKS WHO survive no matter how they do it. YES the MEEK CAN, DO, AND WILL INHERIT THE EARTH, IN TERMS OF THE SIMPLE MATH OF JUST DOING IT AND REPRODUCING.

And for folks who are on welfare and survive that's all that counts in the long run; and the 5 or 6 children OR MORE, they stay home taking care of, instead of being taken care of by someone who doesn't fully care for them, INCLUDING ELECTRONIC DEVICES, to nurture their humanity, to even be what they are evolved to be, as a mind and body balanced FLESH AND BLOOD CONNECTING human being.

And nah, people have lost the skills to do that; often even in that scenario, as electronic devices have become the nurturer of mechanical cognition leaning activities over what even makes humans, per mind and body balance and cooperating in flesh and blood ways.

And honestly, OMG, ALL OF THIS IS JUST COMMON sense for anyone who has lived long enough and paid attention to the human world and the rest of nature, around them.

But sometimes, where there is little common sense; only facts will do, and here are those facts as well,
PER HUMANS NEED NOT APPLY:



At my workplace what is once an administrative office with 50 administrative employees paid in full time positions eventually becomes me and three other people with the real work horse of the computer network that allows US to multi-task machines and attempt to manage and supervise people in flesh and blood with 'one hand on the keyboard'.

And that is a sure recipe to human illness in a shorter potential life ,as well as quality of life, in mind and body balanced well being.

People, overall, are better off, when foraging and farming, as at least they get to move around a little bit in more than just one position, and connect to other human beings and the rest of organic and inorganic nature.

But truly until one has experienced the kind of excellent health that puts them in command of mind and body balance to live in the same kind of bliss that the TRULY GREAT philosophers are talking about for thousands of years; the point can get totally missed by the DEMOGRAPHIC of the population who believes life's a 'b****', and then ya die; or go to heaven or hell or whatever, AFTER LIFE, where THIS LIFE is just misery, and doesn't really count; HAHA!.

The truth is, life can be a 'beach', and 'heaven is now', at least for me, 'those' philosophers, and other folks, who GET WHAT BEING HUMAN EVEN IS, PER WHAT HUMANS AND other socially cooperative mammals are EVEN CLASSICALLY EVOLVED TO BE, in terms of mind and body balance AND connecting to other human beings animals, AND THE REST OF 'NATURE' AKA GOD, as innately instinctually AND intuitively IS, per evolved to be, as is for NOW, as Now is all that exists, as is, NOW.

Recording devices, ranging from clocks, to TV's, to all other 'record' 'players' brings the illusion of what many folks call 'hell' now on earth, in terms of illusions of past and future, where some folks really never live in life, NOW, as is, AND OMG;

YES, THAT is REAL POVERTY;

Poverty of health AND emotional heart, soul and spirit;

otherwise known as POTENTIAL MIND AND BODY BALANCE,

PER HEALTH AND WELL BEING.

And nah, at least in the U.S. THAT real part of life, is rarely taught
or practiced in school or work; and that's even more insane, as that's what truly
counts in life; everything else is a cog in a machine, more or less, like 'this', nicely
illustrated below; as music and human arts of heArt, gets it better than school or work,
overall, for sure.

I choose human; and if others want, they can choose machine; that risk is totally owned by them;
AND the folks who convince 'em that is real human life, evolved mechanically, as it is now, through machines;

IN just one generation of life through negative
epigenetic environmental effect
AND AFFECT, in terms of LIFE, per
ALL THAT TRULY
COUNTS;

THE 'WALL' OR LIFE;
A CHOICE OR
NOT.