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07 May 2011, 2:27 pm

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Heil Obama!
:roll: Oh, FFS...
Let us know when your brain has rebooted.


British snob.
I say old bean I find your topic rather typical of histrionics a-ha (that's supposed to be a snobby top hat and monocle wearing type of scoff lol)



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07 May 2011, 2:28 pm

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In the past there was Nazi Germany, now there is Nazi USA:
they violate international laws (Iraq, Pakistan), violate human rights (Guantanamo bay), support the world's most horrific state (Israel) that treats palestinian civilians as subhumans, invade any nation if they feel the urge.

Unlike late 1930s Germany, the U.S. does not occupy the areas it invades. That doesn't make the invasions okay, but it's different from Hitler's empire building.


I don't agree with OP but I found this statement weird. What do you think we've been doing in Iraq and Afghanistan the better part of a decade?


Pouring billions into counter-insurgency operations, employing thousands of local nationals, building on an infrastructure which in-turn gets destroyed by insurgents.



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07 May 2011, 2:33 pm

As I said before - huge swing and a miss from the truth but... it is sexy and fashionable. Hope it works on the ladies better than it does on us.


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07 May 2011, 2:39 pm

Lefebvre wrote:
In the past there was Nazi Germany, now there is Nazi USA:
they violate international laws (Iraq, Pakistan), violate human rights (Guantanamo bay), support the world's most horrific state (Israel) that treats palestinian civilians as subhumans, invade any nation if they feel the urge.

One nation, one people, one Fuhrer,

Heil Obama!


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Where do you live exactly? I think you mentioned France earlier but I am just making sure.


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07 May 2011, 3:10 pm

Lefebvre wrote:
In the past there was Nazi Germany, now there is Nazi USA:
they violate international laws (Iraq, Pakistan), violate human rights (Guantanamo bay), support the world's most horrific state (Israel) that treats palestinian civilians as subhumans, invade any nation if they feel the urge.


One nation, one people, one Fuhrer,

Heil Obama!


Nazism is based on a variation of socialism - and taken as a whole... we nothing in common with Nazi Germany. Besides... Everyone had a hand in creating Nazi Germany. First by alienating them, and then by not swiftly going to war after they begin their expansion.

Israel is only the worlds most horrific state if you value dead palestinians more then you do dead congolese or dead syrians. Which the world does... they go ape-s*** when someone is killed at the hand of an Isreali, Jew, westerner, or American.

You don't know anything but a left-wing academic revisionist definition of Fascism. Learn your history... everyone else's been dragged through the mud of human s***iness including yours.


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07 May 2011, 3:17 pm

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/07/us-palestinians-binladen-idUSTRE7461WT20110507

As far as dealing with the Gaza Strip situation, it really does tend to be between Tweedle-dee and Tweedle-dumber. As nice as it would be to have Hamas gone, then we would have to deal with the Salafi clowns they're hedging against. I don't like Hamas, but I would rather they have Egyptian support than not in light of other factors. I hope that interacting more with their neighbors will have a civilizing influence on them.

Look, do you guys even realize how racist the Palestinians themselves actually tend to be?

Also, it really irks me that critics of Israel tend to broadbrush the country as if they all spoke with one voice. They don't. There are factions in Israel's political spectrum whom I would agree are garbage. There are also factions that show signs of rationality.

But that requires too much higher level thought processing for most people. Blind hate is easier. And easier to spread. Pathetic fools.



Yup, and the moral gulf between the two is vast. Arabs tend not to care about other arabs that they don't know personally unless he's being killed or tortured by an Israeli or American. It's not just limited to Palestinians, but endemic to the culture of the entire middle east. It's a tribal culture where you only care about your own. Religion can unite them, but Egypt would not send one solider to die in protection of Syrians, Jordanians, the Turks, or Lebanese people from their own governments. Not being open to the outside world or to people who are not of your own is a cultural quirk that needs to be worked out.


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07 May 2011, 3:20 pm

Jacoby wrote:
psychohist wrote:
Unlike late 1930s Germany, the U.S. does not occupy the areas it invades. That doesn't make the invasions okay, but it's different from Hitler's empire building.

I don't agree with OP but I found this statement weird. What do you think we've been doing in Iraq and Afghanistan the better part of a decade?

The U.S. is in the process of freely withdrawing from Iraq, after accepting a government in Iraq that is more friendly to one of our enemies, Iran, than to us. Those are things that Hitler would never have done. It would have been as if he accepted a Vichy French government that aligned with Britain rather than with Germany.

I would like to think that we would withdraw from Afghanistan as well, though I'd agree that hasn't actually started yet.

To me, the major similarities between the U.S. and interwar Germany are domestic, with the current administration's embracing of a combination of socialism and support for huge established corporations being eerily similar to national socialism.



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07 May 2011, 3:21 pm

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... To me, the major similarities between the U.S. and interwar Germany are domestic, with the current administration's embracing of a combination of socialism and support for huge established corporations being eerily similar to national socialism.

But without the pogroms.


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07 May 2011, 3:26 pm

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Also, it really irks me that critics of Israel tend to broadbrush the country as if they all spoke with one voice.

The problem is, to most nonjews, they pretty much do speak with one voice. I've never heard agreement with any criticism of Israeli policy from a jew, even from those that I've accidentally seen criticizing that policy to other jews. To mollify the perception you dislike, jews need to be willing to discuss these issues with nonjews, rather than just closing ranks.



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07 May 2011, 3:40 pm

Is there anyone left in this world which knows what Nazi means? Nazi broke tons of human rights, and so do US. that does not mean US are Nazi.


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07 May 2011, 3:42 pm

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Is there anyone left in this world which knows what Nazi means? Nazi broke tons of human rights, and so do US. that does not mean US are Nazi.

Its probably more grueling to think of countries who couldn't be thought of as Nazi by that definition, especially if someone - say - like our OP would like to define them as liberally as the Swedish define rape.


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07 May 2011, 4:03 pm

Fnord wrote:
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... To me, the major similarities between the U.S. and interwar Germany are domestic, with the current administration's embracing of a combination of socialism and support for huge established corporations being eerily similar to national socialism.

But without the pogroms.

And without the full employment.



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07 May 2011, 4:06 pm

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Is there anyone left in this world which knows what Nazi means?
The symbol of any injustice with the concept of proportionality thrown outta the window.



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07 May 2011, 4:07 pm

How they achieve full employment has always eluded me.

Assuming that claims of full employment are valid, would you care to explain?


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07 May 2011, 4:08 pm

AceOfSpades wrote:
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Is there anyone left in this world which knows what Nazi means?
The symbol of any injustice with the concept of proportionality thrown outta the window.


No. It is an acronym for Natzional Socialistische Deutche Aribeiters Partei.

National Socialist German Worker's Party.

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