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07 May 2011, 4:10 pm

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Is there anyone left in this world which knows what Nazi means?
The symbol of any injustice with the concept of proportionality thrown outta the window.


No. It is an acronym for Natzional Socialistische Deutche Aribeiters Partei.

National Socialist German Worker's Party.

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I was being sarcastic dude. It was meant to mock self righteous people who use Nazism in that sense.



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07 May 2011, 4:12 pm

Wikipedia seems to have a good article on the National Socialist German Worker's Party > LINK <.

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Nazi ideology stressed the failures of laissez-faire capitalism, communism, economic liberalism, and democracy; advocated Positive Christianity; supported the "racial purity of the German people" and that of other Northwestern Europeans; and claimed itself as the protector of Germany from Jewish influence and corruption. The Nazis persecuted those they perceived as either race enemies or Lebensunwertes Leben, that is "life unworthy of living". This included Jews, Slavs, Roma, and so-called "Mischlinge" along with Communists, homosexuals, the mentally and physically disabled, and others. The persecution reached its climax when the party and the German state which it controlled organized the systematic murder of approximately six million Jews and six million other people from the other targeted groups, in what has become known as the Holocaust. Hitler's desire to build a German empire through expansionist policies led to the outbreak of World War II in Europe.

Enough said?


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07 May 2011, 4:14 pm

ruveyn wrote:
AceOfSpades wrote:
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Is there anyone left in this world which knows what Nazi means?
The symbol of any injustice with the concept of proportionality thrown outta the window.


No. It is an acronym for Natzional Socialistische Deutche Aribeiters Partei.

National Socialist German Worker's Party.

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Actually 'Nazi' is a derogatory term coined by their rivals, like a 'Sozi' being a Social Democrat. If you call yourself a Nazi it is pretty ironic.


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07 May 2011, 4:22 pm

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Also, it really irks me that critics of Israel tend to broadbrush the country as if they all spoke with one voice.

The problem is, to most nonjews, they pretty much do speak with one voice. I've never heard agreement with any criticism of Israeli policy from a jew, even from those that I've accidentally seen criticizing that policy to other jews. To mollify the perception you dislike, jews need to be willing to discuss these issues with nonjews, rather than just closing ranks.
You've never heard of Noam Chomsky by any chance, have you?



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07 May 2011, 4:33 pm

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Heil Obama!
:roll: Oh, FFS...
Let us know when your brain has rebooted.


British snob.
I say old bean I find your topic rather typical of histrionics a-ha (that's supposed to be a snobby top hat and monocle wearing type of scoff lol)


I say my good chap, thank you for reminding me of Lord Snooty :lol: :wink:
I wonder if Lord Snooty is related to The Right Honourable Mr. Dave Snooty of 10 Downing Street, Don & Godfather of the alleged "Eton Mafia"?



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07 May 2011, 4:42 pm

AceOfSpades wrote:
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Is there anyone left in this world which knows what Nazi means?
The symbol of any injustice with the concept of proportionality thrown outta the window.


In pre Glen Beck days Nazi meant the epitome of evil. Now it just means anyone you the speaker doesnt like.

So today a Black US president who supports the Jewish state of Isreal is a "Nazi" evem though both Blacks and Jews were Hitler's "racial enemies".



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07 May 2011, 4:44 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
AceOfSpades wrote:
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Is there anyone left in this world which knows what Nazi means?
The symbol of any injustice with the concept of proportionality thrown outta the window.


In pre Glen Beck days Nazi meant the epitome of evil. Now it just means anyone you the speaker doesnt like.

So today a Black US president who supports the Jewish state of Isreal is a "Nazi" evem though both Blacks and Jews were Hitler's "racial enemies".
Thank you!



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07 May 2011, 4:46 pm

Are the Americans putting out propaganda day in, day out denormalising a certain group?

Much as I think my own country's very illiberal, we're not at the Nazi stage. Though I think the EU is very sinister in this regard as we're locked into it - a "prison of nations" if you like.



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07 May 2011, 5:32 pm

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In the past there was Nazi Germany, now there is Nazi USA:
they violate international laws (Iraq, Pakistan), violate human rights (Guantanamo bay), support the world's most horrific state (Israel) that treats palestinian civilians as subhumans, invade any nation if they feel the urge.




North Korea is way more horrific. Most of its adult population lives on the verge of malnutrition. Only the Army and Dear Leader eat well..

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That's right 'we aren't the worst so we aren't wrong' what a muppet.

The OP may be clumsy and poorly argued but the US does have parallels with many rogue empires of the past. In fact the US has been a rogue state from even before the rise of a Nazi Germany is well documented, Decorated carrer military hero Smedley himself denounced all the US wars except WWI and WWII since the invasion of the Phillipines as crimes in support of US corporate interests.
If you start your day swearing blind obedience to the flag and state for which it stands as the start of your xenophobic days education and then live your life in blissfull ignorance of global dynamics reciting simplistics mantras about the wrongness and inferiority of all that is not yourself [one indiferentiable from the state] then you are going to have such parallels drawn.
If this makes you uncomfortable merely denouncing the OP as a troll or ignoring historical facts will not change this situation.
War crimes are war crimes, violations of international law are violations of international law, torture is torture. Any self righteous indignance you show when people violate these against yourselves falls on deaf ears as long as you will excuse your own failure to act according to your own professed standards.

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07 May 2011, 6:13 pm

[quote="RedHanrahan"

That's right 'we aren't the worst so we aren't wrong' what a muppet.

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You were the one who asserted the superlative. Israel does much less damage to the human race than China which pollutes the air rather excessively.

Israel is a pipsqueak nation which has very little effect on the world.

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07 May 2011, 6:17 pm

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That's right 'we aren't the worst so we aren't wrong' what a muppet.


You were the one who asserted the superlative. Israel does much less damage to the human race than China which pollutes the air rather excessively.

Israel is a pipsqueak nation which has very little effect on the world.

ruveyn[/quote]

And this is relevant to my point how?

As for israels insignificance wake up fool, that statement is total nonsense, try another tired slogan


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07 May 2011, 6:20 pm

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As for israels insignificance wake up fool, that statement is total nonsense, try another tired slogan


Lets see. Israel has a population of about six million and has fewer people than the city of New York.

What is the overriding influence of Israel on the world compared to the major industrial nations like the U.S., China and Japan. You are being paranoid about Israel.

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07 May 2011, 6:22 pm

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Wikipedia seems to have a good article on the National Socialist German Worker's Party > LINK <.
Wikipedia wrote:
Nazi ideology stressed the failures of laissez-faire capitalism, communism, economic liberalism, and democracy; advocated Positive Christianity; supported the "racial purity of the German people" and that of other Northwestern Europeans; and claimed itself as the protector of Germany from Jewish influence and corruption. The Nazis persecuted those they perceived as either race enemies or Lebensunwertes Leben, that is "life unworthy of living". This included Jews, Slavs, Roma, and so-called "Mischlinge" along with Communists, homosexuals, the mentally and physically disabled, and others. The persecution reached its climax when the party and the German state which it controlled organized the systematic murder of approximately six million Jews and six million other people from the other targeted groups, in what has become known as the Holocaust. Hitler's desire to build a German empire through expansionist policies led to the outbreak of World War II in Europe.

Enough said?



That is an academic (left-wing seminary) lens on what Nazi Germany should be - revisionist history. They always include the Christian component to strengthen the nationalism aspect of their definition of fascism.

In Mein Kapf, Hitler denounces Christianity as a spiritual terror that has smashed the much more preferable pagan alters of the much freer ancient world. "Christianity was not content with erecting an altar of its own. It had first to destroy the pagan altars."

When Protestant bishops visited the furer to register complaints, Hitler let loose his rage on them:
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“Christianity will disappear from Germany just as it has done in Russia . The German race has existed without Christianity for thousands of years . . . and will continue after Christianity has disappeared . . . We must get used to the teachings of blood and race.”
to which he continued to let them know that they are traitors to the volk, enemies of the fatherland, and destroyers of Germany.

1935, manditory prayers in school was abolished.
1938 carrols and nativity plays banned entirely.
1941 religious instruction for youths 14 and up were outlawed.
Hitler banned Religious charity to cripple the church funding. He put all clergy in Germany on state payroll as to put them under state authority, to which Hitler said: "“The parsons will be made to dig their own graves, they will betray their God to us. They will betray anything for the sake of their miserable little jobs and incomes.”

Feel free to read up HItlers thoughts online:

http://aryanism.net/downloads/books/ado ... e-talk.pdf


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07 May 2011, 6:30 pm

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As for israels insignificance wake up fool, that statement is total nonsense, try another tired slogan


Lets see. Israel has a population of about six million and has fewer people than the city of New York.

What is the overriding influence of Israel on the world compared to the major industrial nations like the U.S., China and Japan. You are being paranoid about Israel.

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Israels influence is dissproportionate to it's populatio, it is a key destabiliser of the middle east.

The USA is around 5% of the planets population, it consumes 25% of the worlds fossil based energy use and around 30% of other resources, this is also dissproportionate to it's size by population, shall we start listing US military activity to demonstrate it's dissproportionate impact on the geopolitical situation? Use your brain for a change instead of rifiling through tired discreditied arguments that are attractive only to you prejudice.


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07 May 2011, 6:41 pm

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Israels influence is dissproportionate to it's populatio, it is a key destabiliser of the middle east.

.


And Hamas and Hisballah are bastions of peace and security?

Who is firing the rockets?

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