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20 May 2011, 12:49 pm

He's right. If the end of the world doesn't occur tomorrow, then this will prove that the Atheists are correct.



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20 May 2011, 12:50 pm

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He's right. If the end of the world doesn't occur tomorrow, then this will prove that the Atheists are correct.


About the Campy Heretic, yes, but not everything.



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21 May 2011, 4:42 am

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But, what if it turns out that the end of the world DOES occur this Saturday? Then, you naysayers will be the ones who will be feeling mighty foolish, as the righteous get raptured away.



Um, I'll be feeling AWESOME, actually-I've DREAMED about the day all the theists are raptured.

I hope it happens.



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21 May 2011, 4:43 am

pandabear wrote:
He's right. If the end of the world doesn't occur tomorrow, then this will prove that the Atheists are correct.



Along with the vast majority of theists, who either think this is garbage (First World) or are too busy trying to find food in a rotting heap (Third World).



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21 May 2011, 8:51 am

ValentineWiggin wrote:
pandabear wrote:
He's right. If the end of the world doesn't occur tomorrow, then this will prove that the Atheists are correct.



Along with the vast majority of theists, who either think this is garbage (First World) or are too busy trying to find food in a rotting heap (Third World).


Don't knock it. At least they are eating.

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22 May 2011, 6:53 pm

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They're liars. Anyone claiming to know the day of Christ's return is a liar, according to the Bible itself even. Although it is inherently obvious to most people that such is a scam of one form or another, it is also Biblically wrong in addition. If this were in Old Testament times, such false prophets would be executed. May 21st is going to pass by, and then a lot of people who bought into Mr. Radio Heretic's spiel for their fire insurance are going to be disillusioned in general because they don't know any better. It is just plain disgraceful when such cults sprout up claiming "here's Christ" and "be ready by this date!" and such other tactics. Such people will be to blame for the eternal destinies of those who they have disillusioned by their false witness.


Actually, Mr. Campy probably wanted to make a pile of money all at once, and then get out of the business, with something of a bang.

Others preachers continue with the line that "no-one knows the date", so that they can go on collecting your tithes over a longer time frame.

As for blaming Mr. Campy for the "eternal destinies" of people he disillusioned--well, yeah, he is a fraud. But so is the Pope. People have to take charge of their own "eternal destinies." To some extent, it is their own fault for allowing themselves to be defrauded. Hopefully they've learned a lesson from this.

That lesson being: Atheism is where it's at.



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22 May 2011, 7:13 pm

pandabear wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
They're liars. Anyone claiming to know the day of Christ's return is a liar, according to the Bible itself even. Although it is inherently obvious to most people that such is a scam of one form or another, it is also Biblically wrong in addition. If this were in Old Testament times, such false prophets would be executed. May 21st is going to pass by, and then a lot of people who bought into Mr. Radio Heretic's spiel for their fire insurance are going to be disillusioned in general because they don't know any better. It is just plain disgraceful when such cults sprout up claiming "here's Christ" and "be ready by this date!" and such other tactics. Such people will be to blame for the eternal destinies of those who they have disillusioned by their false witness.


Actually, Mr. Campy probably wanted to make a pile of money all at once, and then get out of the business, with something of a bang.

Others preachers continue with the line that "no-one knows the date", so that they can go on collecting your tithes over a longer time frame.

As for blaming Mr. Campy for the "eternal destinies" of people he disillusioned--well, yeah, he is a fraud. But so is the Pope. People have to take charge of their own "eternal destinies." To some extent, it is their own fault for allowing themselves to be defrauded. Hopefully they've learned a lesson from this.

That lesson being: Atheism is where it's at.


Right.... or how about not. The actions of one disreputable character claiming to belong to this or that do not invalidate this or that but instead would invalidate themselves.



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22 May 2011, 9:24 pm

LiendaBalla wrote:
pandabear wrote:
But, what if it turns out that the end of the world DOES occur this Saturday? Then, you naysayers will be the ones who will be feeling mighty foolish, as the righteous get raptured away.


Wrong. My Mother's preacher has made it clear that sinners will leave and go into distruction at any unpredicted date, because nobody is supposed to know. Only the holy minority will remain behind to clean up the mess.

Well,, actually, according to the Bible (in Matthew, Mark, and Revelation), there's supposed to be a thousand-year period in which Satan gets to run the world (Revelation goes into a fair bit of detail regarding this), then those who remained faithful (both living and martyred) get drawn up bodily into Heaven, as everyone else is thrown into the Lake of Fire along with Satan. (Apparently Satan's job has been subject to mission creep; as recently as Job, his basic job was to examine the Creation, trying to find flaws in it. Now he gets to lead a failed rebellion!)

Feel free to correct your mother's preacher, although if you do I'd recommend looking up the relevant passages first so you can quote them at him...


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22 May 2011, 9:42 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
If this were in Old Testament times


It's the NT that states, ""But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone." Mt 24:36

But don't sound so uptight over it... The kooks are good for a giggle!

They're creepy and they're kooky,
Mysterious and spooky,
They're altogether ooky,
The Rapture Family.


:lmao: That is soooo funny! I love funny poetry!


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23 May 2011, 8:21 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Right.... or how about not. The actions of one disreputable character claiming to belong to this or that do not invalidate this or that but instead would invalidate themselves.


Well, why don't the "reputable" preachers put it on the line and specify a date? Because, they don't want to admit that they don't know what they're talking about, either. If they did, then donations would dry up.



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23 May 2011, 10:11 am

pandabear wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Right.... or how about not. The actions of one disreputable character claiming to belong to this or that do not invalidate this or that but instead would invalidate themselves.


Well, why don't the "reputable" preachers put it on the line and specify a date? Because, ...


Because any of them which have studied the topic as to when Christ will return would know that such day is unknown to anyone except God the Father. The only people making claims of dates are, by default, disreputable, although it is not a singular criterion of dis-reputability as there are many other ways that a person can be wrong other than whether they invent dates and times they cannot know and that God promised nobody here would know.



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24 May 2011, 8:15 am

The reputable ones don't know anything, either. So, why give them any money?



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24 May 2011, 9:04 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H196TsIiy4E[/youtube]

Please watch if you respond to this. No, this guy is not endorsing the Campy Heretic, so please don't assume the content based upon the title.


No it won't. It will only prove the doom-sayers are wrong.

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25 May 2011, 4:35 am

That old fraud has since said that he misunderstood scripture. Actually, we have been in the period of judgment since the 21st, and the actual rapture will take place in October. :lol:
The problem with the evangelical branch of Christianity is that they are obsessed with the future - Christ's 1,000 year rule and the rapture sometime in the "future," rather than holding to Christ's kingdom in the here and now, with all the benefits of his grace and salvation already available to us.
At least, that's the theology we in mainline churches believe in.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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25 May 2011, 6:18 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
That old fraud has since said that he misunderstood scripture. Actually, we have been in the period of judgment since the 21st, and the actual rapture will take place in October. :lol:
The problem with the evangelical branch of Christianity is that they are obsessed with the future - Christ's 1,000 year rule and the rapture sometime in the "future," rather than holding to Christ's kingdom in the here and now, with all the benefits of his grace and salvation already available to us.
At least, that's the theology we in mainline churches believe in.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


That, and milk-toast sermons meant to appeal to everyone, providing them fluff so that they aren't offended by concepts such as sin.



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25 May 2011, 12:56 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
That old fraud has since said that he misunderstood scripture. Actually, we have been in the period of judgment since the 21st, and the actual rapture will take place in October. :lol:
The problem with the evangelical branch of Christianity is that they are obsessed with the future - Christ's 1,000 year rule and the rapture sometime in the "future," rather than holding to Christ's kingdom in the here and now, with all the benefits of his grace and salvation already available to us.
At least, that's the theology we in mainline churches believe in.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


That, and milk-toast sermons meant to appeal to everyone, providing them fluff so that they aren't offended by concepts such as sin.


Only as far as evangelical stereotypes of mainline churches goes. Trust me, I've heard plenty of sermons condemning sin in my church. But the fact remains, proclaiming the salvation guaranteed by Christ's death and resurrection is far more important than ranting about "the gay agenda," or the evils of feminism that you'll find in evangelical circles.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer