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Why Do You Believe In The Supernatural?
I do not believe in the Supernatural. 50%  50%  [ 14 ]
There is no evidence to the contrary. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Too many people believe for all of them to be wrong. 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
Not believing could be detrimental to my well-being. 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
I have witnessed things that I could not explain. 14%  14%  [ 4 ]
Someone who seems to know has told me so. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
I have access to priviledged knowledge. 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
The voices in my head tell me to believe. 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
I do not trust or believe in Science. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Other: ______________________________ (Please Elaborate). 7%  7%  [ 2 ]
On Planet-X, everything is supernatural. 14%  14%  [ 4 ]
Total votes : 28

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29 May 2011, 9:13 pm

Depends on what supernatural occurrence you're talking about and what you mean by belief.

For example I don't believe that ghosts are the spirits of dead people, but I believe that dead people live on after death through the memories of those who cared about them, and as such I do believe it is possible that ghosts can be a psychosomatic response, or a poltergeist may be a persons emotions effecting the area around them - the latter is getting closer to being supernatural, but I do believe at some point a scientific explanation will come to explain this.

I am a SLIDER, I have had multiple experiences with ghosts, I am religious (although whether I believe in gods, demi-gods, elemental's, etc. would be a whole other very long discussion - I believe in them, but again perhaps not as others do). I'm a logical person, although I've had experiences so in a way must therefore believe in some sense, I believe there must be logical or scientific explanations for the supernatural.


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29 May 2011, 10:51 pm

A Slider as in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sliders ??

Had notg heard of it; looks like an upgraded Time Tunnel [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Time_Tunnel ].

Are you Slider thus or some other wise in cold fact or in sensation? If the former, assuming it is not classified, how?



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29 May 2011, 11:26 pm

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A Slider as in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sliders ??

Had notg heard of it; looks like an upgraded Time Tunnel [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Time_Tunnel ].

Are you Slider thus or some other wise in cold fact or in sensation? If the former, assuming it is not classified, how?


Slider as in Street Light Interference (SLI) phenomenon.

Largely mocked, which I can understand.
It's described as a person who can cause interference with lights, but generally it includes all electrical equipment.
In my case; lights, car alarms, CD players, video players, kettles, microwaves, alarm clocks, watches, TV's especially.


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29 May 2011, 11:48 pm

Bloodheart wrote:
Philologos wrote:
A Slider as in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sliders ??

Had notg heard of it; looks like an upgraded Time Tunnel [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Time_Tunnel ].

Are you Slider thus or some other wise in cold fact or in sensation? If the former, assuming it is not classified, how?


Slider as in Street Light Interference (SLI) phenomenon.

Largely mocked, which I can understand.
It's described as a person who can cause interference with lights, but generally it includes all electrical equipment.
In my case; lights, car alarms, CD players, video players, kettles, microwaves, alarm clocks, watches, TV's especially.


How does one do that?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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30 May 2011, 4:28 am

Here is what Noah had once said:

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Supernatural, a. [super and natural.] (Webster, 1869)

Being beyond or exceeding the powers or laws of nature; miraculous.

A supernatural event is one which is not produced according to the ordinary or established laws of natural things.
Thus if iron has more specific gravity than water, it will sink in that fluid; and the floating of iron on water must be a supernatural event.
Now no human being can alter a law of nature; the floating of iron on water therefore must be caused by divine power specially exerted to suspend, in this instance, a law of nature.
Hence supernatural events or miracles can be produced only by the immediate agency of divine power."


So then, "supernatural" = "the immediate agency of divine power specially exerted" ...

...and in my own case, I believe that because I have experienced it.


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30 May 2011, 8:08 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Bloodheart wrote:
Philologos wrote:
A Slider as in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sliders ??

Had notg heard of it; looks like an upgraded Time Tunnel [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Time_Tunnel ].

Are you Slider thus or some other wise in cold fact or in sensation? If the former, assuming it is not classified, how?


Slider as in Street Light Interference (SLI) phenomenon.

Largely mocked, which I can understand.
It's described as a person who can cause interference with lights, but generally it includes all electrical equipment.
In my case; lights, car alarms, CD players, video players, kettles, microwaves, alarm clocks, watches, TV's especially.


How does one do that?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


One doesn't...one looks confused as electronics start acting odd...is late because alarm clocks keep malfunctioning, stands back as yet another TV explodes....yet another video player starts firing tapes at ones head...etc. It's no where near as bad as it used to be.


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30 May 2011, 2:38 pm

Bloodheart wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Bloodheart wrote:
Philologos wrote:
A Slider as in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sliders ??

Had notg heard of it; looks like an upgraded Time Tunnel [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Time_Tunnel ].

Are you Slider thus or some other wise in cold fact or in sensation? If the former, assuming it is not classified, how?


Slider as in Street Light Interference (SLI) phenomenon.

Largely mocked, which I can understand.
It's described as a person who can cause interference with lights, but generally it includes all electrical equipment.
In my case; lights, car alarms, CD players, video players, kettles, microwaves, alarm clocks, watches, TV's especially.


How does one do that?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


One doesn't...one looks confused as electronics start acting odd...is late because alarm clocks keep malfunctioning, stands back as yet another TV explodes....yet another video player starts firing tapes at ones head...etc. It's no where near as bad as it used to be.


"Fascinating," as Spock would say.
I used to think machines hated me, because I had such a hell of a time working with them. Now, I think it has more to do with the clumsiness that accompanies my Asperger's.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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30 May 2011, 3:23 pm

leejosepho wrote:
Here is what Noah had once said:

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Supernatural, a. [super and natural.] (Webster, 1869)

Being beyond or exceeding the powers or laws of nature; miraculous.

A supernatural event is one which is not produced according to the ordinary or established laws of natural things.
Thus if iron has more specific gravity than water, it will sink in that fluid; and the floating of iron on water must be a supernatural event.
Now no human being can alter a law of nature; the floating of iron on water therefore must be caused by divine power specially exerted to suspend, in this instance, a law of nature.
Hence supernatural events or miracles can be produced only by the immediate agency of divine power."


So then, "supernatural" = "the immediate agency of divine power specially exerted" ...

...and in my own case, I believe that because I have experienced it.


A dozen people have asked you how you are able to psychologically discern that for any experience in your life, X, the only explanation was god dun did it.

You've yet to explain the process.


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30 May 2011, 4:44 pm

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A dozen people have asked you how you are able to psychologically discern ...

What do you mean by "psychologically discern" :roll:, and who has asked any such thing where?

ValentineWiggin wrote:
... the only explanation was god dun did it.

My recovery did not come from myself or from any other human being, and I had been told "God could and would" ... and yes, I am now quite convinced.

ValentineWiggin wrote:
You've yet to explain the process.

You have yet to ask.


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30 May 2011, 6:34 pm

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WHY exactly do you believe in it?

This is a bit like asking or including the question: why do you believe in god, doesn't it? I mean, is still supernatural and is still about believing in something, in any case, the reasons why people believe in something is because of subjective reasons and the way the interpret reality, subjectively.

If I were a believer, it'll be because believing in something gives me hope and comfort, is that such a bad thing? I'd say not necessarily, yeah, I am of an empiricist mindset, but sometimes I would tend to envy people who believe in something.

This is one thing, concluding that something is supernatural because of lack of explanation of the phenomena is another thing, which people connect with the latter.



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30 May 2011, 11:38 pm

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I am trying to understand the reasoning behind people's belief in the Supernatural; and by the use of the word "Supernatural", I mean:

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(1): Of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe; especially of, or relating to God or a god, demigod, spirit, or devil.

(2a): Departing from what is usual or normal, especially so as to appear to transcend the laws of nature; (2b): attributed to an invisible agent (as a ghost or spirit).


(Source: Merriam-Webster Dictionary entry on "Supernatural".)

So, assuming that you believe that such a realm exists so as to fit all of these definitions, WHY exactly do you believe in it?


Your poll questions were excellent. They're pretty much all the reasons why people do/don't believe in the supernatural. Well, not the last two, but ya know.



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31 May 2011, 12:05 am

CaptainTrips222 wrote:
Your poll questions were excellent. They're pretty much all the reasons why people do/don't believe in the supernatural. Well, not the last two, but ya know.

Thank you.

As for options 2 through 9, look up "Fallacies of Reason" sometime.

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