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03 Jun 2011, 11:09 am

who was the first monotheist?
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03 Jun 2011, 11:16 am

The chicken. No, wait. The egg!

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03 Jun 2011, 11:33 am

Insufficient data as currently worded.

Do we take a particular document - for argument, the Torah - to be authoritative revelation and locate the first listed monotheist? [and if so would the first created human count?]

Do we take the available record of human history and select the earliest documented monotheist?

Do we include the possibility of theist aliens predating umans somewhere in the Kosmos?

Do we let belief in angels, dryads, ancestor spirits and the like undermine a person'de status as monotheist?

How do we handle trinities and other X-in-ones and avatars?

Would a serial polytheism [not quite like the Mormons, think Tammuz maybe] count as monotheism?

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03 Jun 2011, 11:40 am

JakobVirgil wrote:

who was the first monotheist?
(show your work)

If considering merely humans only and if considering history according to Genesis as interpreted by Ussher, then Adam would be the first and Chavah the second.

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03 Jun 2011, 12:52 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

JakobVirgil wrote:

who was the first monotheist?
(show your work)

If considering merely humans only and if considering history according to Genesis as interpreted by Ussher, then Adam would be the first and Chavah the second.

The Bible is myth, not history although it does have some historic elements.

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03 Jun 2011, 1:03 pm

AND even if we take the Bible as gospel [INTENTIONAL, mates], we are NOT vouchsafed data on Adam and Eve's belief system. Does interacting with a divine entity make one a theist?

If so, should we not consider the angels?

In the record of Genesis Cain would be the first to perform what we may regard as a religion-associated action. And even there monotheist or elsewise is pure speculation.

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03 Jun 2011, 3:17 pm

Philologos wrote:

How about Enoch and Noah then, as for those who are stated outright as having been blameless in God's sight? At the beginning there would have been no formerly established modes of worship by other humans before them, so the only information available would be from God and anything else would be from their posteriors.

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03 Jun 2011, 4:00 pm

Periquito - sorry - I missed your "humans only" or I would not have brought up angels in my last,

This is a problem in The Lord of the Rings, which I will have to take up with my brother in philology.

I suspect he was running with the assumption that with associates of the creative team stalking the planet and the continuity of the elves and their tradition awareness of divinity would not yet have mutated into what we see as religion. Close to the Genesis report.

Does "blameless in God's sight" in fact argue monotheism before the Mosaic pronouncements?

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03 Jun 2011, 4:50 pm

I don't remember where I read it but I think either Noah or Abraham - I read commentary on the matter but I'll have to pull out my notes back out when get off of work.

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03 Jun 2011, 6:12 pm

Abraham is definitely living in a theistic context, but I do not see that it is unambiguously claimed he was monotheist. Nothing saying clearly he was not.

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03 Jun 2011, 6:15 pm

The pharoah Akhenaten was the first monotheist.

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03 Jun 2011, 8:16 pm

Probably, if you choose that set of parameters - but for publication add "documented"

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08 Jun 2011, 9:03 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:

who was the first monotheist?
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What does monotheist mean?

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08 Jun 2011, 9:13 pm

arielhawksquill wrote:

The pharoah Akhenaten was the first monotheist.

^^ That ^^

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08 Jun 2011, 9:16 pm

catlover02 wrote:

JakobVirgil wrote:

who was the first monotheist?
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What does monotheist mean?

Mono meaning one. Theist meaning believer in deities.

Monotheist... believer in one deity.

As said, it was a pharaoh. He disregarded all other deities of his time and focused on the sun god.

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08 Jun 2011, 9:17 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

arielhawksquill wrote:

The pharoah Akhenaten was the first monotheist.

^^ That ^^

also the first i know of, though the possibility is there that is extends even further back, no one knows what a single isolaetd tribe might believe.

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