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27 Jun 2011, 8:29 pm

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I am a physical being who lives on and with physical material.
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They are playing your song.

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUadW2eWsKg]

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28 Jun 2011, 7:41 pm

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Presumably this is why you are such a ray of sunshine in this forum? all that materialism getting you down?

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I thrive on it. I am a physical being who lives on and with physical material. Spirit is just a misidentification of the electro-chemical processes the produce our consciousness.

If you consider factual truth a form of light I am perfectly willing to shine forth.

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I find it annoying that you decided to come into my thread just to bash.

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28 Jun 2011, 7:55 pm

Do you consider yourself religious, spiritual, or other?
No, I'm not religious nor spiritual.

Do you follow the same path you were raised in?
I was raised a christian but I can say I did grow out of it.

If not, what made you choose a different path?
Developing a "crisis of faith" in my teen years to the point that I left the church and I'm no longer a believer, and... with some help from the PPR forum, to convince you that religion is made up stuff.

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28 Jun 2011, 8:58 pm

blunnet wrote:

Do you consider yourself religious, spiritual, or other?
No, I'm not religious nor spiritual.

Do you follow the same path you were raised in?
I was raised a christian but I can say I did grow out of it.

If not, what made you choose a different path?
Developing a "crisis of faith" in my teen years to the point that I left the church and I'm no longer a believer, and... with some help from the PPR forum, to convince you that religion is made up stuff.

Um, excuse me?

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29 Jun 2011, 1:25 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

Um, excuse me?

Some PPR posters here are persuasive.

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29 Jun 2011, 3:02 pm

blunnet wrote:

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

Um, excuse me?

Some PPR posters here are persuasive.

Indeed? A few have interesting and / or useful things to say.

I have not spotted many trying to persuade, and have noted few if any who are open even to data, let alone persuasion.

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29 Jun 2011, 4:20 pm

blunnet wrote:

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

Um, excuse me?

Some PPR posters here are persuasive.

I've seen better. Owned a board with better 'persuaders' than can be found here. Most just state their opinion and go on the defense around these parts.

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29 Jun 2011, 4:28 pm

blunnet wrote:

religion is made up stuff.

A table and chair is made up stuff.

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29 Jun 2011, 4:54 pm

Moog wrote:

blunnet wrote:

religion is made up stuff.

A table and chair is made up stuff.

you very funny fella :wink:

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29 Jun 2011, 5:15 pm

Do you consider yourself religious, spiritual, or other?

No. I am not spiritual because I feel that mulling over the intangible is a waste of time. I am not religious because organized religion has no basis in science whatsoever, and its moral teachings are lacking.

Do you follow the same path you were raised in?

No. I was partly raised in a communist country where the head of state was considered a deity. Communism is as much a religion as any of the conventional ones.

If not, what made you choose a different path?

Far too many to mention.

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29 Jun 2011, 5:24 pm

Moog wrote:

blunnet wrote:

religion is made up stuff.

A table and chair is made up stuff.

in a way yes but they are completely objectively verifiable by anyone with most of their senses intact(depending)

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29 Jun 2011, 7:13 pm

Moog wrote:

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religion is made up stuff.

A table and chair is made up stuff.

Only the form is made up. The matter is real. Whereas religion is unreal both in form and substance.

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29 Jun 2011, 7:46 pm

ruveyn wrote:

Moog wrote:

blunnet wrote:

religion is made up stuff.

A table and chair is made up stuff.

Only the form is made up. The matter is real. Whereas religion is unreal both in form and substance.

ruveyn

Religion can be used to refer to the belief systems [which being though forms are real even for a mind-denying materialist, in that our technology can observe the presence of mental activity]

OR to the organizations and social behaviors [which are directly accessible to the mind-denying materialist who can use eyes and ears]

OR [an incorrect but all too common usage] to the putative entity or entities referenced in the belief systems [which the mind-denying materialist would do well NOT to call unreal but only not so far - to him - evidenced.]

It is one thing to say you do not believe there are gnurrs. That is quite reasonable. It is quite another to say you "know" gnurrs do not exist.

But perhaps mind-denying materialists also deny the validity and relevance of reason.

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29 Jun 2011, 8:28 pm

Oodain wrote:

Moog wrote:

blunnet wrote:

religion is made up stuff.

A table and chair is made up stuff.

in a way yes but they are completely objectively verifiable by anyone with most of their senses intact(depending)

I'm pretty sure religion exists.

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29 Jun 2011, 8:50 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

Oodain wrote:

Moog wrote:

blunnet wrote:

religion is made up stuff.

A table and chair is made up stuff.

in a way yes but they are completely objectively verifiable by anyone with most of their senses intact(depending)

I'm pretty sure religion exists.

it does but that does not prove nor hint at the excistence of any divine entities, anyone can make up a similar story, see the flying spaghetti monster.

even if such an entity existed it wouldnt in itself mean it is a god, if a god is the creator of the universe, it might simply be another form of conscoiusness.

now there are a multitude of polytheistic religions where this argument is blurred as there would indeed be many entities of varying power and even some where the creation of the world is not entirely dependant on the gods themselves but on similar yet conceptual entities before.

even fiction has it's lessons to teach, they are just better thought with a critical mind.

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29 Jun 2011, 10:42 pm

:lol: Fair enough.

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