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16 Jun 2011, 3:56 pm

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16 Jun 2011, 7:31 pm

Most churches that teach Judeo-Christian ethics advocate an economic system based on pure Capitalism and Social Darwinism. Therefore they teach that socialized medicine is evil. Besides the church teaches that socialized medicine is unbiblical because the concept of health insurance is a modern one.



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16 Jun 2011, 9:00 pm

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Most churches that teach Judeo-Christian ethics advocate an economic system based on pure Capitalism and Social Darwinism. Therefore they teach that socialized medicine is evil. Besides the church teaches that socialized medicine is unbiblical because the concept of health insurance is a modern one.


I think that could be applied to many churches on the religious right, but such notions are hardly universal in mainline churches. I've brought those very questions up in bible studies, and to various pastors of my faith, and they were all in agreement that Social Darwinism and pure capitalism are hardly keeping with real Christianity. They also felt that if America considers itself a Christian nation, then the government as well as individuals have a responsibility to care for the needy.

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17 Jun 2011, 9:02 am

One has to remember that the religious right has a complete monopoly on all of the radio and televison broadcasts. I have never ever heard on radio or television a sermon that advocated taxing the rich on behalf of the poor. As a matter of fact most religious right teachers consider such taxation as outright theft and declare that the reason any person is poor is that he does not want to work and the government should let that person starve. The religious right feels all taxation is theft even if taxes are raised to help victims of hurricane Katrina. The religious right has gone on record stating that the victims of that hurricane disaster were just looking for a handout.



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17 Jun 2011, 10:43 am

All religions are fariy tales. It is what the hearer wants to hear. Christian covers a wide range of views.

Economics says, there is only so much money, how do we best apply it to to needs that will always be greater than means.

Some needs come first. One is not killing the goose that lays golden eggs.

To do anything else you must first have something.

It starts with raising healthy and educated children, then having a social structure that lets them become productive.

Yes, there are people who will die today that $100,000 in medical treatment would live another week. There are people who have health and mental problems that prevent them from becoming educated and productive.

There are healthy people who chose to live by robbing others.

All funds could be spent to reform the criminals, get the mental defectives degrees, and privide for the infirm. Just as all funds can pay people not to work when companies are bought and sent abroad.

The result is the majority of children coming up do not get a good start in life, and do not have the oppertunity to be as productive. They will not be able to maintain a social safety net, as even current university grads are finding that even minium wage entry jobs, flipping burgers, are not available.

In my area construction contractors have no work, but do have a truck, and lawn mower. They move down to lawn care, which is where people used to start. People of fifty are clerking in stores, running fast food, and blocking the future for the young.

Their income will be affected for decades, they will miss out on on the job training, and the remains of our economy will suffer going forward.

This was brought about by affordable homes programs. Nothing down, 103% mortgage, no documents of earnings, and an ARM mortgage.

It did not help the poor become home owners, it did make some fast bucks for realators, mortgage brokers, banks, before the bottom fell out. It lead to a meltdown of world credit markets.

Universal health care without limits will have the same results. Health care corporations, drug companies, will reap short term profits. consoladate the industry, and when the bubble bursts, we will have less health care.

Out of 325 million, we have 100 million workers, 100 million children, and 100 million old and retired. 15 million illegals, and 10 million filling jails and other intitutions.

As the 100 million workers produce everything, they should be protected. The 100 million children need to be raised and educated to replace the workers. The retired did carry the world, and deserve the comforts of old age.

We do have a social safety net, and most have private insurance, savings, retirement accounts, so they never have to use it.

Some have earned government paid health care, VA, Medicare, most bought it. Giving that away to everyone, and forcing some to pay more, is not a national health plan. It is looting the existing paid for health insurance.

It is like car insurance, three DUIs, three wrecks, people injured, if you are ever allowed to drive you will pay a lot for insurance. They would like to share flat rate insurance.

Should all retirement accounts be shared equally among all people?

Those who work, save, plan for the future, should not be treated the same as those who do not.

A Citizen, a person born in the United States, who at least one of their parents is subject to the jursidiction thereof, has a different status, Rights and Obligations, than someone who crossed the border at night, went to a hospital, and gave birth to an anchor baby. They are not a Citizen, nor is their child, and We The People should not be paying for their medical care, education, and supplying social services.

They should be arrested, their childs birth certificate marked Mexican National, and deported.



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17 Jun 2011, 11:46 am

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One has to remember that the religious right has a complete monopoly on all of the radio and televison broadcasts. I have never ever heard on radio or television a sermon that advocated taxing the rich on behalf of the poor. As a matter of fact most religious right teachers consider such taxation as outright theft and declare that the reason any person is poor is that he does not want to work and the government should let that person starve. The religious right feels all taxation is theft even if taxes are raised to help victims of hurricane Katrina. The religious right has gone on record stating that the victims of that hurricane disaster were just looking for a handout.


That's unfortunately very true. With the exception of The Lutheran Hour, I don't know off hand of any other mainline Christian broadcast. And with the religious right's affiliation with the political right, and their embracing of prosperity theology, they're hardly friends of the poor. You'd think that people who claim to take the bible literally would recognize how they bear little resemblance to the example Christ set.

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17 Jun 2011, 11:53 am

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All religions are fariy tales. It is what the hearer wants to hear. Christian covers a wide range of views.

Economics says, there is only so much money, how do we best apply it to to needs that will always be greater than means.

Some needs come first. One is not killing the goose that lays golden eggs.

To do anything else you must first have something.

It starts with raising healthy and educated children, then having a social structure that lets them become productive.

Yes, there are people who will die today that $100,000 in medical treatment would live another week. There are people who have health and mental problems that prevent them from becoming educated and productive.

There are healthy people who chose to live by robbing others.

All funds could be spent to reform the criminals, get the mental defectives degrees, and privide for the infirm. Just as all funds can pay people not to work when companies are bought and sent abroad.

The result is the majority of children coming up do not get a good start in life, and do not have the oppertunity to be as productive. They will not be able to maintain a social safety net, as even current university grads are finding that even minium wage entry jobs, flipping burgers, are not available.

In my area construction contractors have no work, but do have a truck, and lawn mower. They move down to lawn care, which is where people used to start. People of fifty are clerking in stores, running fast food, and blocking the future for the young.

Their income will be affected for decades, they will miss out on on the job training, and the remains of our economy will suffer going forward.

This was brought about by affordable homes programs. Nothing down, 103% mortgage, no documents of earnings, and an ARM mortgage.

It did not help the poor become home owners, it did make some fast bucks for realators, mortgage brokers, banks, before the bottom fell out. It lead to a meltdown of world credit markets.

Universal health care without limits will have the same results. Health care corporations, drug companies, will reap short term profits. consoladate the industry, and when the bubble bursts, we will have less health care.

Out of 325 million, we have 100 million workers, 100 million children, and 100 million old and retired. 15 million illegals, and 10 million filling jails and other intitutions.

As the 100 million workers produce everything, they should be protected. The 100 million children need to be raised and educated to replace the workers. The retired did carry the world, and deserve the comforts of old age.

We do have a social safety net, and most have private insurance, savings, retirement accounts, so they never have to use it.

Some have earned government paid health care, VA, Medicare, most bought it. Giving that away to everyone, and forcing some to pay more, is not a national health plan. It is looting the existing paid for health insurance.

It is like car insurance, three DUIs, three wrecks, people injured, if you are ever allowed to drive you will pay a lot for insurance. They would like to share flat rate insurance.

Should all retirement accounts be shared equally among all people?

Those who work, save, plan for the future, should not be treated the same as those who do not.

A Citizen, a person born in the United States, who at least one of their parents is subject to the jursidiction thereof, has a different status, Rights and Obligations, than someone who crossed the border at night, went to a hospital, and gave birth to an anchor baby. They are not a Citizen, nor is their child, and We The People should not be paying for their medical care, education, and supplying social services.

They should be arrested, their childs birth certificate marked Mexican National, and deported.


The simple fact is though, not everyone is going to be healthy, wealthy, and wise. It's not a matter of penalizing those who by happenstance or design are more equipped to survive in the long term by using public money to give a helping hand to those in need. Altruism and compassion have always been American values, and that means those who have give a hand up to those who don't.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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17 Jun 2011, 9:05 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
One has to remember that the religious right has a complete monopoly on all of the radio and televison broadcasts. I have never ever heard on radio or television a sermon that advocated taxing the rich on behalf of the poor. As a matter of fact most religious right teachers consider such taxation as outright theft and declare that the reason any person is poor is that he does not want to work and the government should let that person starve. The religious right feels all taxation is theft even if taxes are raised to help victims of hurricane Katrina. The religious right has gone on record stating that the victims of that hurricane disaster were just looking for a handout.


That's unfortunately very true. With the exception of The Lutheran Hour, I don't know off hand of any other mainline Christian broadcast. And with the religious right's affiliation with the political right, and their embracing of prosperity theology, they're hardly friends of the poor. You'd think that people who claim to take the bible literally would recognize how they bear little resemblance to the example Christ set.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


The religious right/political right claim being rich or poor is all due to an individual's choices in life. They propagate that everyone regardless of their background and can work their way up to become rich through hard work. They do not mention they started off from a wealthy family, huge trust fund, a special talent:(music or sports) or had a good education that enabled them to be successful in life. The Hollywood rags to riches story tale is pushed by the religious right as a realistic goal that everyone can achieve through hard work.



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17 Jun 2011, 9:16 pm

That, and a crude misinterpretation of Calvinistic doctrine, that God gives worldly wealth to the righteous, while the evil are cursed with poverty.
Works well with their completely unbiblical prosperity theology.

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17 Jun 2011, 11:26 pm

By definition no matter how hard everyone works not everyone can be rich simply becavse for every rich man there has to be a poor man.



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18 Jun 2011, 12:01 am

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Social security payments for people in need and universal health care for everyone who needs it. I am so glad I do not live in the United States of America the land of hypocrisy.


You're lucky and I agree totally. SSI is a complete joke and barely enough to live on.


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Social security payments for people in need and universal health care for everyone who needs it. I am so glad I do not live in the United States of America the land of hypocrisy.


You're lucky and I agree totally. SSI is a complete joke and barely enough to live on.

If it's barely enough for you to live on, then you are better off than most on SSI.


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18 Jun 2011, 12:29 am

What could Arizona possibly do? This is happening to most of the country right now.

Yes, it sucks that people in unfortunate circumstances cannot find a job and then have their only income cut. That's the price we pay in a capitalistic society.

We are consuming more than we are producing. This shows in our consumer debt.



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19 Jun 2011, 9:04 am

There is a lot Arizona covld do to help the vnemployed bvt the rich conservatives covld care less . Rich people think that the vnemployed don't want to work even thovgh it is impossible to find a job becavse of the bad economy.



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19 Jun 2011, 9:17 am

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There is a lot Arizona covld do to help the vnemployed bvt the rich conservatives covld care less . Rich people think that the vnemployed don't want to work even thovgh it is impossible to find a job becavse of the bad economy.


If it were impossible to get a job the unemployment rate would be 100 percent.

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