This raises my blood pressure (Israel/Lebanon war related)
McJeff
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You remember the Israeli attack on the Lebanese ambulances that helped turn public opinion against Israel and lead to Israel's failure to achieve a complete victory against Hezbollah?
Well, turns out that it was all horses**t.
EDIT: Apparently there are photos of a mildly graphic nature on the website I linked to, so if you really want to see what I was talking about, PM me... otherwise just forget it.
Last edited by McJeff on 25 Aug 2006, 2:40 am, edited 3 times in total.
I have listened to the news, and I have heard about the incident with the ambulences only briefly. It hasn't been the focus of the news. There has been news of a sizable civilian casualty count in Lebanon, and the ambulence incidence was something I heard on only one day. I looked at the arguments and photographs of the bloggers, and I am not convinced that it was all faked. If all you have are photographs and news stories, then it takes a lot to make a good case that there was a small conspiracy of clever fraudsters. The arguments simply are not good enough.
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I meant public opinion internationally, specifially within the UN members. Kofi Annan wasted no time in raking Israel over the coals for the incident.
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You won't accept point blank photo and video evidence, but you'll accept Hezbollah's word that it happened? What's wrong with this picture?
You won't accept point blank photo and video evidence, but you'll accept Hezbollah's word that it happened? What's wrong with this picture?
SFGate.com (link), 7/25/2006, "Medics, injured civilians under attack Red Cross trucks in south Lebanon targeted by pilots."
"In previous conflicts in Gaza and the West Bank, Israel has struck ambulances when it believed the vehicles were being used to smuggle weapons and personnel to militants. In a statement Monday, an Israeli army spokesman said the ambulances in Qana were attacked "in an area known to be one of the main sources of the launching of hundreds of missiles," according to Cox News Service. The Red Cross has asked Israel for a more detailed explanation."
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You won't accept point blank photo and video evidence, but you'll accept Hezbollah's word that it happened? What's wrong with this picture?
Good points, however, it's always Israel's policy to apologize first and investigate later. Take for example when some Palestinian civilians were blown up while on a beach. Israel initialy apologized for the event, then, after investigating, decided to revoke their apology and charge Hamas with it instead.
It's also well known that Hezbollah kept a stranglehold on what journalists were allowed to show. One journalist claims that when he took pictures of some Hezbo guerillas firing rockets at the Israelis, they took his camera and footage and threatened to kill him.
Like the site explained, they only allow journalists who are willing to take footage that casts Hezbollah in a sympathetic light. But the news stations, which need to make profit, HAVE to get footage, or they fall behind...
Anyway, here's my take. Any one of those photo sets, taken seperately - the guy in the hospital with allegedly fake bandages, the ambulance with the siren cut out - would have looked funny, but wouldn't be conclusive. In this case, the evidence overwhelmingly points to fraud.
Had been, seeing as Israel withdrew out of Lebanon in 2000. Just like they withdrew from the Gaza strip, and began to withdraw settlements as well.
Wasn't enough for Hezbollah and Hamas it seems. Apparently they still cling on to their fantasy of wiping Israel off the map. And as long as they do, one can hardly fault Israel for defending itself.
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A contested strip of land called Shebaa farms is still under Israeli occupation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebaa_Farms
Plus, theres still the matter of the 1000s of missing lebanese, suspected to be held captive.
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/articl ... le_id=9501
A contested piece of land about which it is unclear whether it originally belonged to Lebanon or Syria. Also, a piece of land of about 25 square kilometers. Hardly a casus belli!
The "Socialist Worker" article you linked to conveniently forgets to mention exactly why Samir Kuntar (whose release is one of Hezbollah's demands) is in jail. It has something to do with bashing the head of a four-year old Israeli girl in with a rifle butt.
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