GOP Presidential Candidates Pledge To Revoke EPA's Authority

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24 Jun 2011, 1:34 am

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/23/2012-republicans-take-aim-at-epa_n_883182.html

WASHINGTON -- Republican presidential candidates are taking aim at the Environmental Protection Agency on the campaign trail, pledging to strip it of the tools to address emissions, and other regulatory functions.

Those pledges come as the Supreme Court ruled 8-0 Monday in American Electric Power v. Connecticut to deny states and environmentalists the right to sue power plants in federal courts over greenhouse gas emissions. While arguably a loss for environmental advocates, the ruling was widely seen as reaffirming the federal environmental agency's authority to regulate emissions.

Days before the high court underscored that regulating greenhouse gases is the EPA's job alone, presidential hopeful Herman Cain vowed to, within the first 30 days of his administration, create a panel of oil and gas officials to instruct the agency in overhauling its permitting program, adding that eliminating the program entirely also “would be an option.”

“I'm going to appoint some commissions for every regulatory agency starting with the EPA,” he told reporters at the liberal Netroots Nation conference. “It's going to be a regulatory reduction commission and ... I will ... take those recommendations and make the process more streamlined as well as eliminate unnecessary regulations. And the people I'm going to appoint to those commissions, for example with the EPA, will be people and businessmen who have been abused by the EPA for the past decade or so.”

“I'm going at the EPA first,” he said, “to speed up that process, so we can get this plan moving and get the oil exploration opened up in the gulf off the coast of Alaska and the outer continental shelf.”

Cain is not only 2012 candidate to proclaim that gutting the EPA would be the first priority of a new administration. In a recent CNN debate, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) dubbed the regulatory agency the greatest threat to American jobs.

"Every time liberals get into office they pass an omnibus bill of big spending projects," Bachmann said. "What we need to do is pass the mother of all repeal bills, but it's the repeal bill that will get rid of job killing regulations; and I would begin with the EPA because there is no other agency like the EPA, it should really be renamed the 'Job Killing Organization of America.'"

In the first major speech of his GOP presidential campaign, former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty promised an emergency freeze on spending, including significant cuts to the federal environmental watchdog.

"The Environmental Protection Agency is now regulating carbon emissions," he said, "a policy rejected by Congress but putting millions of jobs at risk."

"We don't need the unelected officials at EPA to do what our elected officials in Congress have rejected," he added. "We need less EPA monitoring of our economy. And more monitoring of EPA's affects on our freedom. I will require sunsetting of all federal regulations. Unless specifically sustained by a vote of Congress."

As for what comes after the EPA is gone? Having long since called for the total elimination of the EPA, Newt Gingrich announced during a recent CNN debate that he would replace it with an "Environmental Solutions Agency."

Former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman is less committed to gutting the EPA, or at least less committed a concrete position on the agency. During his time as governor of Utah, he was an outspoken proponent of cap and trade, but has since backtracked on the position, telling Fox News he only supported it because all the other governors were doing it.

"Everybody talked about it. At least a lot of people did," Huntsman said. "Every governor was talking about dealing with emissions back many, many years ago only to find that with the economic implosion, we can't afford anything that is going to put any kind of hamper on economic growth."

Ron Paul has been more consistent about his views. When asked about the role of the EPA in an interview with Slate in 2007, Paul said, "You wouldn't need it," though he later added that eliminating the agency was "not high" on his agenda. From the interview:

Environmental protection in the U.S. should function according to the same premise as "prior restraint" in a newspaper. Newspapers can't print anything that's a lie. There has to be recourse. But you don't invite the government in to review every single thing that the print media does with the assumption they might do something wrong. The EPA assumes you might do something wrong; it's a bureaucratic, intrusive approach and it favors those who have political connections

More than three years later, his position is almost unchanged.


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24 Jun 2011, 2:04 am

They're so f*****g stupid, it's ridiculous.


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24 Jun 2011, 2:31 am

Well, hey, it looks like this EPA abolition measure will be great for jobs in two ways. Not only will it create jobs by removing restrictions that have made certain labour markets, up to this point, non-existent (like the market for dumping nuclear waste into rivers and watersheds), but it'll also increase the value of workers by making them rarer via killing so many off.


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24 Jun 2011, 3:01 am

Master_Pedant wrote:
Well, hey, it looks like this EPA abolition measure will be great for jobs in two ways. Not only will it create jobs by removing markets that have been non-existent up to this point (like the labour market for workers to dump nuclear waste in rivers and watersheds), but it'll make individual workers more valuable by killing so many of them off with toxic waste!

The river fires won't be tolerated by the public again. There's public support for some regulation, but right now the workforce wants a decent paycheck (and about 15% of them will settle for any paycheck). You could expect to see Obama's policies repealed and you may see a new system a little more relaxed than Bush's, But even most of their far right support base doesn't want to go back to smog alerts and ecologically dead rivers and lakes.


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24 Jun 2011, 8:20 am

John_Browning wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
Well, hey, it looks like this EPA abolition measure will be great for jobs in two ways. Not only will it create jobs by removing markets that have been non-existent up to this point (like the labour market for workers to dump nuclear waste in rivers and watersheds), but it'll make individual workers more valuable by killing so many of them off with toxic waste!

The river fires won't be tolerated by the public again. There's public support for some regulation, but right now the workforce wants a decent paycheck (and about 15% of them will settle for any paycheck). You could expect to see Obama's policies repealed and you may see a new system a little more relaxed than Bush's, But even most of their far right support base doesn't want to go back to smog alerts and ecologically dead rivers and lakes.


Really? That does seem to be what they are having wet dreams about.



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24 Jun 2011, 4:00 pm

pandabear wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
Well, hey, it looks like this EPA abolition measure will be great for jobs in two ways. Not only will it create jobs by removing markets that have been non-existent up to this point (like the labour market for workers to dump nuclear waste in rivers and watersheds), but it'll make individual workers more valuable by killing so many of them off with toxic waste!

The river fires won't be tolerated by the public again. There's public support for some regulation, but right now the workforce wants a decent paycheck (and about 15% of them will settle for any paycheck). You could expect to see Obama's policies repealed and you may see a new system a little more relaxed than Bush's, But even most of their far right support base doesn't want to go back to smog alerts and ecologically dead rivers and lakes.


Really? That does seem to be what they are having wet dreams about.

What they are complaining about is that new regulations are making it nearly impossible for anybody except the blue chip corporations to afford to navigate all the red tape and still turn a profit, and also preventing drilling. Both are keeping the cost of running a business high and employment down. We don't have to get rid of all environmental laws, mainly just Obama's.


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24 Jun 2011, 4:07 pm

While the CO2 regulation is somewhat questionable - and the EPA didn't want it, they were forced into it by the courts - on the whole people think the EPA is doing a pretty good job. Certainly people who remember the 1960s and 1970s do.

I notice Romney isn't in that article. Another reason why he's the Republican candidate most likely to win the general election, I guess.



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24 Jun 2011, 6:48 pm

psychohist wrote:
While the CO2 regulation is somewhat questionable - and the EPA didn't want it, they were forced into it by the courts - on the whole people think the EPA is doing a pretty good job. Certainly people who remember the 1960s and 1970s do.

I notice Romney isn't in that article. Another reason why he's the Republican candidate most likely to win the general election, I guess.


I heard Rick Perry is going to win the GOP nomination according to the alternative media with the source of Bilderberg. I don't like any of them though.



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24 Jun 2011, 8:31 pm

Great. Canada and the UK elect their first Green MPs, the USA tries to get rid of the EPA. Typical.



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24 Jun 2011, 9:55 pm

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Great. Canada and the UK elect their first Green MPs, the USA tries to get rid of the EPA. Typical.


The EPA however well intentioned is corrupt and inefficient.

Like NASA.

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24 Jun 2011, 10:54 pm

The cost of long-term safety precautions could cost a lot less than a series of class action lawsuits. If the EPA goes away, there won't be any mandatory safety standards that industries would have to abide by. Those safety standards might take a big cut out of a company's profit margins, but they can also work to the company's benefit by protecting it from litigation. Certain industries engage in certain operations that will always pose some risk to the environment and the public, but because the EPA requires them to abide by strict safety standards, the risk is reduced. Reduced--as in not completely safe, but safe-enough for the EPA's standards. If a bunch of people contract cancer because a nearby strip mining expedition has polluted their water supply, they can sue the company conducting the operation. But whether or not the company's operations and equipment comply with the EPA's safety standards could mean the difference between getting sued for $10 million, or $10 billion. Doing away with the EPA would only make it a lot easier for people to sue polluters and make it a lot harder for the polluters to defend themselves.



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24 Jun 2011, 11:05 pm

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The cost of long-term safety precautions could cost a lot less than a series of class action lawsuits. If the EPA goes away, there won't be any mandatory safety standards that industries would have to abide by. Those safety standards might take a big cut out of a company's profit margins, but they can also work to the company's benefit by protecting it from litigation. Certain industries engage in certain operations that will always pose some risk to the environment and the public, but because the EPA requires them to abide by strict safety standards, the risk is reduced. Reduced--as in not completely safe, but safe-enough for the EPA's standards. If a bunch of people contract cancer because a nearby strip mining expedition has polluted their water supply, they can sue the company conducting the operation. But whether or not the company's operations and equipment comply with the EPA's safety standards could mean the difference between getting sued for $10 million, or $10 billion. Doing away with the EPA would only make it a lot easier for people to sue polluters and make it a lot harder for the polluters to defend themselves.

OSHA will still handle safety rules. Their policies are not dependent on the EPA.


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The cost of long-term safety precautions could cost a lot less than a series of class action lawsuits. If the EPA goes away, there won't be any mandatory safety standards that industries would have to abide by. Those safety standards might take a big cut out of a company's profit margins, but they can also work to the company's benefit by protecting it from litigation. Certain industries engage in certain operations that will always pose some risk to the environment and the public, but because the EPA requires them to abide by strict safety standards, the risk is reduced. Reduced--as in not completely safe, but safe-enough for the EPA's standards. If a bunch of people contract cancer because a nearby strip mining expedition has polluted their water supply, they can sue the company conducting the operation. But whether or not the company's operations and equipment comply with the EPA's safety standards could mean the difference between getting sued for $10 million, or $10 billion. Doing away with the EPA would only make it a lot easier for people to sue polluters and make it a lot harder for the polluters to defend themselves.

OSHA will still handle safety rules. Their policies are not dependent on the EPA.


OSHA's regulations are designed to protect people within the workplace. They're powerless to protect the public's interest, and they cannot protect a company's interests should it cause harm to the public. They can make the workers of a chemical plant wear protective clothing when handling chemicals, but not the kids staying at the summer camp down the river from said chemical plant.



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OSHA's regulations are designed to protect people within the workplace. They're powerless to protect the public's interest, and they cannot protect a company's interests should it cause harm to the public. They can make the workers of a chemical plant wear protective clothing when handling chemicals, but not the kids staying at the summer camp down the river from said chemical plant.

Contrary to popular environmental lobby propaganda, republicans don't hate the environment. Only one candidate is out to get rid of the EPA entirely and his chances aren't that great because even if he won the GOP ticket he would not be able to draw support from moderates and most independents. A corporate executive is legally required to do anything that turns a buck for the shareholders even if it's at the expense of the environment. Rank and file conservative voters want a 3-way balance of a clean environment, a strong economy, and low bureaucracy. It involves making trade-offs, not demanding the impossible. And right now the Obama administration is pushing environmental red tape down everyone throats at the expense of the economy and personal liberty.


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25 Jun 2011, 1:25 am

It's a good fund raising tactic.

Every time a business pays a fine to the EPA they dream about a future where they won't have to sign that check.

Makes it easier to write a check to a candidate who promises to make that future happen.

I know a guy who regrets that he raised a shitton of money for Goerge W Bush's presidential election campaign with that line, while he was working (part time, on contract) as an EPA inspection / cleanup guy.

Incidentally the same friend who tells me that he's been in enough meetings with W to know what his default accent sounds like.



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25 Jun 2011, 10:16 am

Lets get rid of the EPA but at the same time get rid of corporate personhood.
If the CEOs could go to prison for what their companies do maybe they would act right.


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