Your political opinions on abortion and capital punishment

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abortion and capital punishment: your opinions?
pro-life; anti death penalty 14%  14%  [ 13 ]
pro-life; pro death penalty 9%  9%  [ 9 ]
pro-choice; anti death penalty 46%  46%  [ 44 ]
pro-choice; pro death penalty 31%  31%  [ 29 ]
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04 Aug 2011, 1:45 pm

My views are a bit more nuanced, so I didn't answer any. I think abortion should be legal in instances of rape, teenage pregnancy, or life threatening health conditions for the mother. However, I don't think it should just be legal for anyone who doesn't want to have to take care of a kid. I think at some point people should take responsibility for their actions, mother and father, and that there is a sanctity to life that should be respected.

I also support Planned Parenthood, because 95% of what they do isn't related to abortions. Its mostly just education on safe sex, pap smears, cancer screenings, free birth control, and even abstinence education. No federal funding goes to the 5% that's related to abortions, and even if planned parenthood was scrapped, other hospitals would still offer the procedure.

I think abstinence-only is ridiculous, and the fact that such education programs avoid realistic discussions about sex to young people will only leave them ignorant if passions do kick in and they decide to act on them. Its egotistical for humans to think they can control nature, whether its environmental or related to human behavior itself. You can only mitigate it.



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04 Aug 2011, 2:05 pm

JNathanK wrote:
My views are a bit more nuanced, so I didn't answer any. I think abortion should be legal in instances of rape, teenage pregnancy, or life threatening health conditions for the mother. However, I don't think it should just be legal for anyone who doesn't want to have to take care of a kid. I think at some point people should take responsibility for their actions, mother and father, and that there is a sanctity to life that should be respected.


I agree that the sanctity of life should be respected. However, like many people, i had a life changing event relating to the subject. Mine was just a little different than most.

About 12 years ago, I was one of 3 or 4 people in my city with the exact same name, but the only one with a listed phone number.

It turns out that one of my doppelgangers likes running around town with random women he doesn't know very well, or who may in fact be married.

So I started getting these late night phone calls from some guy who was demanding to speak with his wife, or for his wife to come home, or just to tell me that I'm a home wrecker. Two or three a night. Always with a screaming infant in the background.

This went on for a couple months. I was as polite and rational as a man wrongfully accused of adultery can be. I explained over and over that he's got the wrong guy - he was sure he had the right guy because he got the number from his wife's phone bill.

I repeatedly gave him my address and asked him to come on over and see if his wife is in my apartment.

Over time, with enough pieces, i gleaned his story.

This was a guy who knocked up his highschool girlfriend, and then decided to "do the right thing". And unfortunately for father and baby, mother wasn't really interested in that scene.

The whole thing gave me a lot of stress, and probably did some psychological damage.

Ultimately i figured out the handle my doppelganger uses on the intenet, tracked him down, and told him to either stop dating married women or at least give them his actual phone number. And finally the calls stopped.

"Doing the right thing" in this case only served to make at least two and probably three people completely miserable. And one of them was a little baby who doesn't understand why he can't have his mother's attention.

Some people absolutely should not procreate.

I can't decide if it's worse to abort a fetus or to force a child to grow up in a dysfunctional family.

So I'm unwilling to argue that they should always be obliged to raise the child.



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04 Aug 2011, 2:24 pm

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Yah, I guess I don't really have the strongest opinions against abortion. I have a lot of mixed feelings too. Like, what if someone just gets drunk and accidentally has a kid with someone who's a totally incompatible headcase? They probably shouldn't live with each other, and its a shame the kid has to live in that situation. I wish people would just get each other and not be so confused. The world would be a lot better. The world would have more dignity and sanctity to it if people recognized sanctity in it, whether its relating to infants or fully grown adults.



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04 Aug 2011, 2:31 pm

The nut that cannot be cracked is this:

There is absolutely no shortage of qualified prospective parents who want to adopt an infant. Emphasis on infant - they want to raise a child from square 1, without all the baggage and difficult conversations involved in adopting a kid who has already bonded with some other parent - or at least attempted to.

People wait on lists for years and years for the opportunity to adopt an infant.

But a majority of women who decide not to have an abortion decide to try to raise the child, whether or not it is a realistic proposition.

There is a severe shortage of qualified prospective parents who want to adopt a kid with emotional problems.



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04 Aug 2011, 4:39 pm

blauSamstag wrote:
The nut that cannot be cracked is this:

There is absolutely no shortage of qualified prospective parents who want to adopt an infant. Emphasis on infant - they want to raise a child from square 1, without all the baggage and difficult conversations involved in adopting a kid who has already bonded with some other parent - or at least attempted to.

People wait on lists for years and years for the opportunity to adopt an infant.

But a majority of women who decide not to have an abortion decide to try to raise the child, whether or not it is a realistic proposition.

There is a severe shortage of qualified prospective parents who want to adopt a kid with emotional problems.


I'm glad that I have loving parents, and I wish more people could say the same. However, the way I look at it is some people have been driven in their lives to do a lot more in life because adversity and those less than ideal upbringings. So, I'm just going to have to say that we need to understand that our actions and behavioral patterns are sacred. They have consequences, and they can affect not only the course of our own lives but others around us as well. I also think we need to pay more attention to the Foster Care System too and invest in it.

I really would like to avoid abortions as much as much as possible , because I'd like a world where all that come are wanted and are able to get something out of the human experience. That's the problem I have with certain types of Euthanasia too.



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04 Aug 2011, 4:53 pm

Yes, life has sanctity. And real, thinking, feeling people have more of that sanctity than embryos or fetuses.

'Responsibility' is not an argument for forcing someone to give up control of their body and health.


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05 Aug 2011, 12:19 am

I think that abortion should be legal until the fetus is determined to be viable by doctors.

I don't think that there should be a death penalty. BUT, I think that instead of imprisoning/executing people directly people we should just take away their rights. For example: a convicted murderer has no right to security/to not be killed. That way justice will surely be meted out, but it will not be by the state.



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05 Aug 2011, 12:23 am

mechanicalgirl39 wrote:
Yes, life has sanctity. And real, thinking, feeling people have more of that sanctity than embryos or fetuses.

'Responsibility' is not an argument for forcing someone to give up control of their body and health.


The problem with your argument is the child is a person too, and therefore the child has ownership of their own body. The woman's actions will be potentially killing the child, do I think the woman should be forced to have to raise the kid, no. There is something called adoption, and there are no shortage of people wanting to adopt babies and young children.



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05 Aug 2011, 3:51 am

and when left to fend for itself it will die unless viable.
ie. abortion, inuyasha i really dont get your line of reasoning sometime, we have time and again shown you why this will only bring more suffering.


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05 Aug 2011, 8:03 am

Killing is bad.
Pro-life, anti-death penalty.



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07 Mar 2012, 1:19 am

pro-choice; anti death penalty



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07 Mar 2012, 3:38 am

none of the above- I think that abortion is wrong because ending any kind of life should not be encouraged, however there are certain situations that it should happen, such as if the unborn child is killing the mother, there is no sense in allowing them both to die.

I agree with the death penalty in theory however this would require us to have a justice system, which the UK doesn't really.


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07 Mar 2012, 5:48 am

I voted pro-choice - anti-death penalty.

As far as death penalty it is not so much that I do not think there are some people deserving of death. My complaint is that death penalty is really just not practical. I read a statistic that only 2% of death row inmates are actually executed. If we are not going to execute those who are sentenced to death row, then what the hell is the point?

Furthermore, I just don't think it acts as much of a deterrant. I think life is in prison is often worse than the death penalty in terms of torture for many people. Why do so many people in jail to try to hang themselves? For the very reason that want to end their life? Why do so many people commit murder-suicides? For the very reason that they want to end their life.

And the last point is that many people are wrongly convicted, so they deserve a chance to exonerate them as long as they are live. I am pretty sure that some innocent people have been put to death and this is a crime of above all crimes. There is no crime worse than putting an innocent to death.



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10 Mar 2012, 12:11 pm

Rick Santorum, Michelle Bachman, and Sarah Palin should qualify under one of the choices. Please don't call the Secret Service! I'm only being cynical or sarcastic or MAYBE I AM REALLY NUTS!! !!



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10 Mar 2012, 6:55 pm

Theoretically pro on both, but I don't trust our judicial system to not execute the wrong people.



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10 Mar 2012, 8:18 pm

Pro life anti death penelty.
I'm anti death penelty because I believe most situations it does not actually help anything.
I'm pro life because I believe a fetus is a human being, a person, and a baby whether the government agrees with me or not and that embarisment and/or a year of inconvience is no reason to kill a person.
I do believe that if the mother would actually be in danger by carrying the baby to term it is then her choice.
I believe in personal freedom until somebody else is hurt by your freedom and in this case there is somebody else.

Logically I could see the argument of saying they are not a person until their brain starts developing as reasonable, although I do not take that stand. However, I find defining someone's personhood by location pretty arbitrary e.g. not a person because they are still in the womb.