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Therion
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15 Sep 2006, 6:47 am

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^^ And i don't care what some christians or jews believe in the bible , maybe zinoism is based on a religious belief but I don't hate them for this point....i hate them as a religio-politcal aggressive mvt ..... and I don't hate it because it has some points in common with the bible , and my answer is NO if some christians believe in some holy homeland like the zionists them doesn't make them zionists....it the actions what make you zionist not only the faith.

plz understand the difference and stop your pathetic useless ways to prove that I am an extremist islamist anti-jews becoz I am not...you are trying to prove what you think abt me not abt what I am ;) .


Christian zionism is a part of christian fundamentalism, while Jewish zionism is a secular nationalist ideology with mixtures of socialism [look at the kibbutzim, the regulated economy of Israel and the early support of social democrats of zionism]. If we would be mean, we could refer to zionism as Israeli national socialism. Jewish fundamentalists are actually often both zionist and anti-zionist.



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15 Sep 2006, 10:31 am

Zionism doesn't really have much of a basis in the religion. Its only real link is the claim to the land where Israel is based on 2 old jewish kingdoms.

I would say its abit harsh to call it the equivilant of national socialism. Its more nationalism in the sense of people saluting the flag, singing the stars-spangeled banner and having an identity in the culture and "race" of being jewish. There is alot of contraversy with zionists pre world war 2 and their involvement with the Nazi's in getting european jews emmigrated to British controlled palestine and its origins and relavance to the religion. You find some of the most bitter critics of it are orthodox jews.

Their is this silly conspiracy theory/anti-semetic BS about this all controlling jewish new world order that gives you the impression the jewish people are some en masse borg collective who control everyone else. But when you look at the world wide jewish population you realise there very much a divided people within themselves. Many differnt ethnicities not just the stereotypical Ashkenazi and the majority of jewish people live outside the state of israel not everyone bought into it with the 1948 war



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15 Sep 2006, 11:39 am

You said it yourself. Israel is as a state based on the Jewish race [how a race now is defined]. In the rest, I am agreeing with you.



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16 Sep 2006, 7:45 am

LePetitPrince wrote:
...plz understand the difference and stop your pathetic useless ways to prove that I am an extremist islamist anti-jews becoz I am not...you are trying to prove what you think abt me not abt what I am ;) .


OK - I'm confuzed - wot are u ? :?


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