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02 Sep 2007, 11:27 am

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fight this new war, a war upon terror.


we are at war with terror. we have always been at war with terror. doubleplusgood

You said it, peebo.
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Terrorism is real and happening even in Iraq as We speak.

True, but the perpetrators are not those you think they are. British special forces have been caught trying to stage terrorist attacks in Iraq. Don't think they always get caught. The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, and is not fought against some external enemy, but rather is waged by the government against its own people.
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It ALSO means that the US has to try to limit the production of nuclear warheads. HEY, there IS a reason why the US hasn't used chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons in more than one war. They ARE illegal, and used only to enforce that ban. Don't think the US can't use any of them. It probably has more resources to create them than any two other countries combined, except maybe china.

I laughed when I read this. The US hasn't used any chemical/biological/nuclear weapons since Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Yeah, right. Our government did not spend trillions of dollars in classified bioweapons programs just for fun. And where do you think Saddam got the nerve gas that he used on the Kurds? America was at war with Iran and at peace with Iraq. America would always be at war with Iran and at peace with Iraq, so it didn't matter if we gave Iraq weapons.
We can't demand that other nations abandon attempts to strengthen their national defense until we dismantle our own nuclear armories, cease research into weaponised smallpox and race-specific viruses, and stop aiming missiles at every country on the face of the earth and pull our troops out of the 130 countires they occupy.


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02 Sep 2007, 11:36 am

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Five years ago, the USA was attacked by Muslim extremists,

We shall never forget....

I lost an uncle in this thoughtless act of terrorism.

He was on United Flight 93.

He is my greatest hero, for he served his country honorably in Vietnam, and gave his life saving countless others.

May the year pass by, and our days roll on, we must always keep these souls in our hearts and minds, and stand up together, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Wiccan, Buddhist, Taoist, or any other religion, and fight this new war, a war upon terror.

Blessed Be,
May the Goddess grant Her blessing upon The U.S.A, and all those who stand up along side of us and fight with us against the horrible people who committed this horrible crime.

May the Goddess bless the USA
May the Goddess bless President Bush.

-Mathis Wrenn, Bi-sexual registered Republican Party member, Wiccan, and Patriot.



The ONLY true terrorist is Mr. Bush and as far as I can see idiot Americans voted for him twice. Sorry about your uncle but many people's uncles and sons and fathers have died ever since the No. 1 terrorist Mr. Bush took over America.

God is NOT blessing the USA. Keep your eyes open and see the 10 plagues coming down to your US. All bridges are now declared unsafe, hurricanes and tornatodes are around the corner, floods with intensify, there will be food shortage in the future as many clops were destryed due to the changing climate... funny, I don't hear any of these 'natural disasters' happening in Islam countries...

Maybe God IS giving you a sign as to WHO the true terrorists are???

Star



You know what star! The first thing on the minds of people in the US has to be the safety of the US soil! That is what has to be from a survival standpoint. Second has to be the relative safety of the planet.

SO, if Australia got a NASTY government that hated the people in the US, and was getting ICBMs that had nuclear warheads, and aimed them at the US, an ultimatum would have to be delivered.

I picked Australia simply because I don't think anyone in the US considers them a threat in any way. The average american is probably more afraid of an animal from australia coming over in the cargo hold and hurting people or the environment, than even hearing a threat from the australian government.
So I doubt ANYTHING in the above scenario would happen, and australia would be treated better than most countries.

It ALSO means that the US has to try to limit the production of nuclear warheads. HEY, there IS a reason why the US hasn't used chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons in more than one war. They ARE illegal, and used only to enforce that ban. Don't think the US can't use any of them. It probably has more resources to create them than any two other countries combined, except maybe china.

FRANKLY, if I was president, I would have used TRUE conventional weapons and, if at war, would have obliterated the infrastructure right after the major military targets. It would have been cheaper, more serious, and more effective. If we did that with IRAQ I, we might not have had ANY of this other garbage. Then again, if we never had the SUPREME idiot, CARTER, we probably wouldn't even have had THAT! As for the idea of WMDs, there were a lot of statements earlier about weapons that could destroy other countries. So the WMDs people thought about weren't that unlikely, and bush might have been told about that.

The REAL second question is was there a connection to 911? The REAL primary question was why didn't they take out UBL?

Anyway, the US wasn't given a choice last time as to who to vote for. The system can't handle many candidates, and each party wants to win, so they pick one candidate. Because of history, belief, and funds, the only two real chances are republican and democrat. We really had no other president that would even get us THIS far besides bush. Frankly, I HATE how bush has handled these things. I hate how ALL the bushes handled it! But if you wanted to avoid it, you should have provided a better candidate.

I probably shouldn't say this, but HOW does an ADMITTEDLY illiterate kid pass down ORAL stories about OBVIOUS misunderstandings of at least 2 major religions, and have it become a third? They speak against the persecution by the other 2 and yet persecute to an even worse degree? Their text claims to have respect for the major players in the other 2 religions, yet defiles them and their ideals.



As said before ... THE IDIOT AMERICANS voted for Mr. Bush twice. IDIOTS because they don't even realize how they are being brainwashed by a LUNATIC, who is afraid of his own shadow... Protect American SOIL??? From whom? The farmers in Iraq and Afghanistan who don't even have a TV at home because they are so poor...

Stupidity has taken over the world.

Honey, if the USA gets too scary for you, come to Europe. It's safe here. No one is threatened, no one has Code Orange Inland Security, no one is living in fear.

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02 Sep 2007, 12:41 pm

Star wrote:
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Star wrote:
Rakkety_Tamm wrote:
Five years ago, the USA was attacked by Muslim extremists,

We shall never forget....

I lost an uncle in this thoughtless act of terrorism.

He was on United Flight 93.

He is my greatest hero, for he served his country honorably in Vietnam, and gave his life saving countless others.

May the year pass by, and our days roll on, we must always keep these souls in our hearts and minds, and stand up together, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Wiccan, Buddhist, Taoist, or any other religion, and fight this new war, a war upon terror.

Blessed Be,
May the Goddess grant Her blessing upon The U.S.A, and all those who stand up along side of us and fight with us against the horrible people who committed this horrible crime.

May the Goddess bless the USA
May the Goddess bless President Bush.

-Mathis Wrenn, Bi-sexual registered Republican Party member, Wiccan, and Patriot.



The ONLY true terrorist is Mr. Bush and as far as I can see idiot Americans voted for him twice. Sorry about your uncle but many people's uncles and sons and fathers have died ever since the No. 1 terrorist Mr. Bush took over America.

God is NOT blessing the USA. Keep your eyes open and see the 10 plagues coming down to your US. All bridges are now declared unsafe, hurricanes and tornatodes are around the corner, floods with intensify, there will be food shortage in the future as many clops were destryed due to the changing climate... funny, I don't hear any of these 'natural disasters' happening in Islam countries...

Maybe God IS giving you a sign as to WHO the true terrorists are???

Star



You know what star! The first thing on the minds of people in the US has to be the safety of the US soil! That is what has to be from a survival standpoint. Second has to be the relative safety of the planet.

SO, if Australia got a NASTY government that hated the people in the US, and was getting ICBMs that had nuclear warheads, and aimed them at the US, an ultimatum would have to be delivered.

I picked Australia simply because I don't think anyone in the US considers them a threat in any way. The average american is probably more afraid of an animal from australia coming over in the cargo hold and hurting people or the environment, than even hearing a threat from the australian government.
So I doubt ANYTHING in the above scenario would happen, and australia would be treated better than most countries.

It ALSO means that the US has to try to limit the production of nuclear warheads. HEY, there IS a reason why the US hasn't used chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons in more than one war. They ARE illegal, and used only to enforce that ban. Don't think the US can't use any of them. It probably has more resources to create them than any two other countries combined, except maybe china.

FRANKLY, if I was president, I would have used TRUE conventional weapons and, if at war, would have obliterated the infrastructure right after the major military targets. It would have been cheaper, more serious, and more effective. If we did that with IRAQ I, we might not have had ANY of this other garbage. Then again, if we never had the SUPREME idiot, CARTER, we probably wouldn't even have had THAT! As for the idea of WMDs, there were a lot of statements earlier about weapons that could destroy other countries. So the WMDs people thought about weren't that unlikely, and bush might have been told about that.

The REAL second question is was there a connection to 911? The REAL primary question was why didn't they take out UBL?

Anyway, the US wasn't given a choice last time as to who to vote for. The system can't handle many candidates, and each party wants to win, so they pick one candidate. Because of history, belief, and funds, the only two real chances are republican and democrat. We really had no other president that would even get us THIS far besides bush. Frankly, I HATE how bush has handled these things. I hate how ALL the bushes handled it! But if you wanted to avoid it, you should have provided a better candidate.

I probably shouldn't say this, but HOW does an ADMITTEDLY illiterate kid pass down ORAL stories about OBVIOUS misunderstandings of at least 2 major religions, and have it become a third? They speak against the persecution by the other 2 and yet persecute to an even worse degree? Their text claims to have respect for the major players in the other 2 religions, yet defiles them and their ideals.



As said before ... THE IDIOT AMERICANS voted for Mr. Bush twice. IDIOTS because they don't even realize how they are being brainwashed by a LUNATIC, who is afraid of his own shadow... Protect American SOIL??? From whom? The farmers in Iraq and Afghanistan who don't even have a TV at home because they are so poor...

Stupidity has taken over the world.

Honey, if the USA gets too scary for you, come to Europe. It's safe here. No one is threatened, no one has Code Orange Inland Security, no one is living in fear.

Star


WOW! IRAN, PAKISTAN, NORTH KOREA, CHINA, ETC... don't have nuclear weapons? Those ships never got blown up? The WTC was never destroyed? WOW! And nobody can watch their TV programs?

As for Europe? NOPE, you aren't safe. Did you EVER hear about WWI or WWII? Are you aware that europe was affected perhaps many THOUSANDS of times as bad as the US? The US got a few fire bombs and spies. Europe got that AND BOMBS, GAS, ETC.... And Europe STILL has customs and all those laws, etc... Oh yeah, you guys don't have CJD or BSE anymore? Funny, I never heard about that! When did it happen?

BTW I am certainly not living in fear. Frankly, my top ten fears have NOTHING to do with foreign attacks, bombs, fires, etc.... If I was afraid of the muslim extremist morons, I would be doing what they want. Still, I DO marvel at their stupidity. If they had their own continent, and were a bit more homogenous and the half life and fallout weren't such problems, and it wasn't illegal, the bulk of their entire world could be wiped off the map(People and religious relics included). Yet they act like the US can just do NOTHING. INCREDIBLE.

As for stupid americans, etc... Frankly, I HATE the idea of this being just a popularity contest controlled by a few Political Action Committies(they aren't called that, but that is what they are), where only a few hundred people that can actually vote. I have spoken against that for DECADES! BTW Some take umbrage with the idea that only a few hundred(538 to be exact) people can vote, but it is TRUE!

Anyone here that is from california, for instance, that tells you they voted for the president is not thinking, ill informed, or a LIAR! There are only about 55 people in california that can vote for the president. The uninformed public that THINKS they are voting for president are voting for people that claim they will vote for that president. This might sound like the same thing, but makes distributions eratic, and is even WORSE with more than 2 candidates! I mean if 49% voted for A, and 51% voted for B, B would get the vote. What if 33% voted for A and 33% for B, and 34% for C? C would get the vote. The difference could be in bordering areas where a true popular vote would have made A or B the winner.

Anyway, you end up having politicians and special interests controlling EVERYTHING! They control WHO is a candidate, and they have a way to override votes. The IDEA is supposed to be that they can study and know the candidates, and keep idiots or war mongers from being elected. They don't even talk about that in school, and I doubt anyone even thinks about it. MY GOD, Even the three stooges ( http://www.threestooges.com/ ) covered this aspect better than the schools do! That is especially interesting, since the three stooges is based on three idiots trying to get by, and they always seem to think they are far smarter than they really are. Yet in one episode they decide not to vote for or nominate a guy because they determine he is crooked. That was decided even though they were there solely on the basis that they WOULD vote for him.

So HEY, don't judge us simply because we can't vote for a good president. Are you aware that most americans don't even vote? Many think it is because we are lazy, don't care, etc... NOPE! Ask most people, and they will say it is because they really CAN'T vote!

Steve



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02 Sep 2007, 1:22 pm

Whatever Steve... let me guess you voted for Bush right???

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02 Sep 2007, 2:54 pm

Has anyone noticed that 2007 will be 6 years to the exact day that 9/11 happened?
9/11 was on a Tuesday & this year's 9/11 is also on a Tuesday.
Or am I mistaken?


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02 Sep 2007, 3:52 pm

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Whatever Steve... let me guess you voted for Bush right???

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I WOULD have, but I didn't. Besides, I don't REALLY vote FOR anyone, but against the others. Still, my vote wouldn't have changed ANYTHING! The SAME electors voted.



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02 Sep 2007, 4:18 pm

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9/11 is connected to people who were invokved in it or whom lost someone they knew like friend, family member, relative, someone they knew who lost soemone in the terrorism. etc.

I am connected to it too somehow because it effected me too. I was stuck with a sub in culinary arts because my teacher was in Mexico when it happened so she was stranded down there, I was scared more buildings were going to go down and I was scared there was going to be a WWIII, and I was scared to fly for awhile and I had to overcome it soon because how else would I get to Europe if I wasn't going to fly. A boat but that take longer to get there, same with taking a train or bus to get to the Atlantic Ocean. But I got over the fear when I was 18 because my family and I (except for one of my brothers) were going to Arizona for my uncle's 50th b-day and we were flying to get down there so I got over my fear quick because there hadn't been any hijacking on planes in the USA lately since 9/11.



Yeah, I have some connection to it, since I live right outside New York City, and lots of my friends' parents work in New York City. All day on 9/11, people were getting called down to the office, because their parents were phoning in to tell them they were all right. Some kids who were volunteer EMTs also left school for a while. I think for a while they were considering trucking them into the city to help out, but they thought better of it. Some of my teachers had family members who worked around there, and to see them crying in the hallways really freaked me out. Ironically, what *really* freaked me out was that we lost television reception, because all the local channels broadcast from the top of the World Trade Center. It was so terrifying, because you just didn't know what was going to happen. We had all been called down to an assembly shortly after the second plane had hit, and during the assembly, my economics teacher ran in and told us the Pentagon had been hit. Later, in my English class, they were playing the radio over the PA system, and we actually heard the first of the towers collapse. It was awful, to hear them saying, "Oh my god, the tower is collapsing. There are firefighters inside..." I actually got so upset I had to leave the classroom and go cry in the bathroom, and shortly after that they turned the radio off because everyone was getting so upset. You just didn' t know what was going to happen next. Everytime the PA system got turned on, we were afraid we were going to hear about another attack. Our classes weren't cancelled, so we were trapped in our classrooms with no television, and no way to directly find out what was going on. When I got home from school that day though, my family just watched the TV for about 6 hours (non-local channels like CNN still worked).

When my family drove down to my aunt's house in New Jersey that weekend, we drove right past the city, and you could still see smoke coming up. Also, one of my friends in college hosted a pre-frosh who had attended a school right near the World Trade Center, and the windows of his school actually blew out, and they had to evacuate. Also, my aunt was trapped in France for a while because the flights were shut down. It was also scary to have the city "closed," which it was for a day or so, and to see images of people walking home across the bridge because no cars were allowed across. So even though I don't know anyone who died that day, it still had a great effect on me, as it did on any others who felt connected to those events.



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02 Sep 2007, 4:22 pm

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God is NOT blessing the USA. Keep your eyes open and see the 10 plagues coming down to your US. All bridges are now declared unsafe, hurricanes and tornatodes are around the corner, floods with intensify, there will be food shortage in the future as many clops were destryed due to the changing climate... funny, I don't hear any of these 'natural disasters' happening in Islam countries...

Maybe God IS giving you a sign as to WHO the true terrorists are???

Star


There *has* been weird stuff going on lately. In New York the summer before last we actually had a tornado. A TORNADO! In NEW YORK! It was relatively powerful too, and apparently stayed on the ground an unusually long time. It occurred a couple miles from where I live, and you can still see the damage. For instance, along the Saw Mill Parkway, it's like someone took a huge ice cream scoop, and scooped out a swath of trees along the road.

Here's a link to an article on it.



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God is NOT blessing the USA. Keep your eyes open and see the 10 plagues coming down to your US. All bridges are now declared unsafe, hurricanes and tornatodes are around the corner, floods with intensify, there will be food shortage in the future as many clops were destryed due to the changing climate... funny, I don't hear any of these 'natural disasters' happening in Islam countries...

Maybe God IS giving you a sign as to WHO the true terrorists are???

Star


Star,

I predicted 9/11 just a few weeks before it happened! Taking into account the idiot muslim extremist mentality, it was OBVIOUS!! !! ! WHY???

READ THE PAPERS!! !! !

At the time, The palestinians and israelis were killing one another by the DOZENS! It was FUTILE! NEITHER side could get the other to stop, or even really cause superior damage.

What do YOU do if you have trouble at a store? HOW do you think that equates to war?????

They tried to attack the biggest ally and supporter of israel. They tried to attack the US. Frankly, the US did a LOT for the muslim countries. SURE we sent them weaponry, but ALSO money, desalination plants, machinery, building supplies, etc... Yet, STILL, they figure the friend of their enemy is their enemy.

HECK, they ARE muslim extremists, and consider all non muslims to be INFIDELS!



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As said before ... THE IDIOT AMERICANS voted for Mr. Bush twice.

Excuse me, please get your facts straight. We do not have voting in America.
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WOW! IRAN, PAKISTAN, NORTH KOREA, CHINA, ETC... don't have nuclear weapons? Those ships never got blown up? The WTC was never destroyed? WOW! And nobody can watch their TV programs?

No, Iran and North Korea do not have nuclear weapons. As for Pakistan, care to hazard a guess as to who sold them their nukes? And what ships are you talking about specifically? Maybe you're referring to the Maine, which we destroyed ourselves as a pretext for imperialism against Cuba and the Philipines? Or the Liberty, which we set up to have attacked in a false-flag operatioin to try to gain a pretext for entering into the Six Days War on Israel's behalf? The WTC was destroyed, but it has not been made clear by whom. The Taliban offered to hand over UBL if we showed them some scrap of evidence implicating him in the crimes of 9/11. We chose not to do so. Why? Because no such evidence exists. How was it that 19 Arabs (9 of whom are still alive) armed with 3-inch blade boxcutters, were able to disable the most advanced air defence system in the world, defy the laws of physics in the trajectory that hit the Pentagon, and, by crashing airplanes into two buildings of the WTC, knock down three of them? Whoever was responsible for 9/11, they first had to infiltrate the US gov in order to have help in taking out our defenses and planting explosives. But since we have not been able to determine conclusively who was responsible, it's silly to place the blame on, say, Iraq (or Pakistan or Iran or North Korea as our current geopolitical interests mandate) and we should be focusing on finding the perpetrators and bringing them to justice.


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03 Sep 2007, 5:41 am

Thank you Orwell. I dare anyone here to google "WTC 7" and watch the collapse videos, and then explain how 19 Muslim extremists caused this building to collapse. While you're at it please explain to me how these terrorists got the US military to stand down on 9/11. If normal intercept procedures had been followed it is extremely unlikely that any single airplane would have crashed into the world trade center buildings or the pentagon, much less 3.

So many people become outraged when the hear others question the official story of September 11. The real "conspiracy theory" is that 19 ill trained extremists could have pulled this attack off. Read sources other than the main stream media in the United States. The rest of the world believes this was a false flag operation, do you even know what a false flag operation is?

I am not saying that what happened in September 2001 was not a tragedy, it surely was, I am just pointing out that we don't know who really committed said attack. America was been whipped into a fervor of nationalism and the consent to take our country to war was manufactured by perpetrators as yet unknown.

Iraq had no WMD's. Iraq had no connection whatsoever to those blamed for attacking the US. Saddam and Osamma Bin Ladaen/Al-Qaeda were enemies, they despised each other. There was no Al-Qaeada in Iraq while Saddam ruled. Now that we have deposed Saddam there is Al-Qaeda in Iraq, in fact Iraq is now the most powerful tool available to recruit angry fundamentalist to join groups like Al-Qaeda. The one thing that was in Iraq, OIL, the 2nd largest reserve in all the world. That is why nearly 4000 americans have died in the desert. That is why nearly 30,000 americans have been injured in the desert. That is why somewhere between 125,000 and 500,000 Iraqis have died.

Wake up. For every 1 "america hater" we kill we create 2 more. Do you really want an endless war where the poor die and the rich receive no bid contracts?



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Thank you Orwell. I dare anyone here to google "WTC 7" and watch the collapse videos, and then explain how 19 Muslim extremists caused this building to collapse. While you're at it please explain to me how these terrorists got the US military to stand down on 9/11. If normal intercept procedures had been followed it is extremely unlikely that any single airplane would have crashed into the world trade center buildings or the pentagon, much less 3.


19 muslim extremists? ******NEVER******! 2 fully loaded 747s? CERTAINLY!

And HOW did the military "stand down" on 9/11? WHAT normal procedures?

Do you know why the metal detectors were put in? Here's a hint! *****METAL*****! !! !! ! They were put in to limit HIJACKS! Do you know what the policy was for HIJACKS???? Here's a HINT! SAME AS BANK ROBBERIES! GIVE IN!

THAT is why 9/11 happened! And do you think fighters were always flying around NY? Do you think they were able to track ALL those planes, etc?

There were actually only air traffic controllers at the various towers. Even TODAY they aren't very well organized.

So you think that they planned all this, right down to that last plane.



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03 Sep 2007, 7:43 am

Wow, y'all still at it? :?



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03 Sep 2007, 7:55 am

We should remember 9/11 quietly and with dignity, and it would be a cross party political affair. Republicans, Democrats, Christians, Muslims, should be able to remember this act of terrorism with dignity, without digressing into the War with Afghanistan etc.

I was appalled when I heard of the news at the time, but as a pacifist totally disagreed with Bush's USA response by invading Afghanistan, in the spurious belief that Osama Bin Laden might be hiding there. Not surprisingly USA have garnered a reputation as a unpopular nation that bullies.

There is a War Against Terror in the UK, but we in the UK are resolved with the "stiff British upper lips" not to cower in the face of Al Qaeda, that we are entitled to use democracy to choose our government, and to choose our religion as we think fit. (Note it seems that mission of Al Qaeda is to convert nations to Islamic Sharia government by their version of jihad).



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03 Sep 2007, 9:17 am

I'm sorry to hear about your uncle but he will be remembered as one of the brave men and woman who sadly lost their lives on that day.

My memories of that day was watching it on TV and being absolutly terrified that there was going to be all out war. On that day my thought will be on those people and to your uncle.