Raptor wrote:
I find it more than a bit ironic that whenever there is mention about Israel that so many of these soft hearted, tolerant, equality minded liberals are against the existence of Israel as a state.
You know what hasn't happened in this thread? An occurrence of anyione saying Israel shouldn't exist as a state. What we have is people criticizing Israel for its policies, like happens with any country in earth and like conservatives love to do with many targets like Europeans, Russians or the Chinese. I don't get why Israel must be a sacred cow in any discussion in which US people are involved.
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Here you have a country for a people that have been historically persecuted in one form or another and the left wants to deny them a sandbox in the middle of a bad neighborhood that they can call home.
For starters it was stupid for them to start their nation just in the middle of everybody wanting them dead. And we love them so much, why couldn't we handle them an Island or a safe territory in US where they wouldn't be surrounded by enemies? No, we had to chose the desert and destabilize the whole area for no actual reason.
This victim card is getting old. Every country in earth has enemies and every country on earth should be evaluated by the same standards. More so, countries that are supposedly your friends should be heralded with a way stronger standard. If a country abuses human rights, you should at least be offended rather than make it evident that the US is a completely unconditional servant of Israel, ready to look away whenever they do any HR abuse. And let us stop pretending that they don't.
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On top of that they want to deny them the right to protect themselves from neighbors who would just assume wipe them from the face of the earth.
By any chance, they should protect themselves. And let's make it clear that they should protect themselves. But starting a HR crisis in Gasa in which civilians starve and are denied medicines is not self-defense. For god's sake, let us stop being stupid.
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