The problem with calling AS autism.

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You have little rifts in any community and it's to be expected. But, there is an old saying that goes something like this: when you point your finger at someone, there are two fingers pointing back at you with your own hand. The same way you feel about some people on the spectrum, is the same way a lot of members of society feel about YOU. Who are you to even to suggest, where someone belongs ?

TheSunAlsoRises

I also don't like it when people say AS isn't a disability nor is it an impairment either. They are either that mild or are just in denial. Some would rather say they are the normal ones and everyone else is strange and need the fixing. Sadly there are some aspies like that and they aren't even mild. Of course mild ones can be that way too.


The point of a diagnoses is because it causes you impairments. If you aren't impaired by something nor think you are, you wouldn't go and be getting an official diagnoses.

What qualifies as impairment?

What qualifies as an ASD diagnosis ? And, is there some subjectivity in that diagnosis?


TheSunAlsoRises

I get the feeling you're pointing at someone here, but I am not certain who it is.

I think that homily about pointing is a bit trite, though.



Meeting the criteria for diagnosis, which includes a requirement for impairment. If someone is not impaired, they don't have anything to diagnose. QED.

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I simply made a general comment to a general comment that was made.

IF you took it as a bit trite, you are entitled to your opinion.

In regards to my statement concerning subjectivity, one can go from clinician to clinician and be given an entirely different diagnosis. In regards to impairment, it's built in the diagnosis of ASDs.

TheSunAlsoRises

I think it's pretty common to not be aware of one's own impairments when one has been undiagnosed. Someone said elsewhere (different forum) that it's pretty common for people with mental illnesses to not perceive or understand how they're impaired before diagnosis.

When I was trying to come to terms with the idea of being disabled, I had to deal with incorporating the sense of being disabled and the sense of accomplishing things because the latter kept interfering with the former. This was despite the fact that I am perfectly aware that disability does not mean "total inability to achieve anything."

I don't think everyone who says they're not disabled is really not disabled. I think many don't know, or are in denial. Some really aren't. A lot of people come here thinking they're mild only to find out otherwise, too.



I did not take your comment as trite. I didn't get what you were saying in your comment as I could not tell that it was a general statement and sounded like it was a response to a specific post. I think the general "if you point at someone three fingers are pointing back at you" is trite as a general rule. I think your point that how some people feel about others on the spectrum is the same way a lot of society feels about them? That's pretty accurate and I agree with you on that.

I like that they are just changing it to a spectrum and considering aspergers just part of the autism spectrem. I would also to point out AS might not always be as mild as some make it out to be, I mean I could not act normally to save my life and I am considered high functioning?

Understood and i appreciate the clarification.
By the way, i was speaking in generalities concerning a particular post. So, you were somewhat correct in your assumption.

TheSunAlsoRises

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I didn't even read your post. I don't mind if people self diagnose but to be diagnosed with a disorder when you you aren't struggling, and you've got to be really struggling, it's just a waste and it adds to the so-called 'epidemic rates. Social impairments are included in this struggling. But if you're doing fine in life than I don't care if I offend you, you don't need to get diagnosed.

I'm not even diagnosed with Pathological Demand Avoidance syndrome which was severe as a child, as was selective mutism. I'm not even diagnosed with Oppositional Defiance disorder which is starting to get in the way of people thinking I'm a kind gentle soul. Or even dyspraxia. But I know that I have a high possibility of having these, it's just not as severe.

Edit: OK, I apologise. But I still stand by that a disorder needs to feel like a disorder.

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A little bit more than feeling insecure about something.

I never noticed how impairing my ADHD was. There are some days where doing any little task is hard. I had to put clothes in some new draws today and almost medicated for it. Needing medication to do something so simple is an impairment.

Anyway, I just lost interest in this topic. I do that sometimes.

Are you mocking me? I haven't said anything about "feeling insecure".

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I hate the word ''Asperger's'' because I've always found it so cringing. But I still don't consider myself as ''Autistic'' because it sounds a little harsh for me. I just say ''AS'' as in the real abbreviation, or I say ''on the Autism spectrum''.

I don't agree with people who think there is no real difference between low-functioning Autistics and high-functioning Aspies. I only have one friend who is on the spectrum, and he is high-functioning; he lives on his own, has average to above average intelligence, and can communicate on the same sort of level as me 9which I call ''high-functioning Aspie'' level, which lurks around the introvert NT level). Yes, I know all people are different, whether they're on the spectrum or not, but that doesn't mean the label can't change just slightly.

The original poster is right when he or she said about the fruit thing and the virus thing. Also with tummy bugs - it is more common to catch what they call ''the 24-hour bug'', but sometimes people get the norovirus, which involves a week of extreme vomiting and diarrhoea, and even dehydration which can lead to other temporary physical problems where the person may need the doctor to come out and may even need to stay in bed. This is what I call ''low-functioning virus''.

Even my psychiatrist said ''everything's a spectrum''. Even weather is a spectrum. You got light snow, which doesn't generally cause as many disruptions as heavy snow. If light snow settles, people usually call it a ''flurry''. When heavy snow settles, (which normally it does), some roads can get blocked, things get disrupted, driveways need to be swept, and so on. So I wouldn't call a heavy snow storm a flurry, since it's more of a severe case of snow.

So, back to the Autism spectrum, some things are mild, some are moderate, and others are severe. Nothing is concrete. Well, most things aren't.