is there a such thing as leagues?

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02 Nov 2011, 4:00 pm

The term League appears to be too specific. Rather the rating of a persons entire importance and prestige in relation to his/her fellow men.
this rating seems to be rather fluent, especially the one for prestige which always also depends on the actual behavior, style and persons he/she is with. The importance means not that much intelligence as the importance of the job he/she has and the amount of money that is earned. I consider it as success for this case. Intelligence doesn't always lead to success, the "tool" is far not as important as the "product".
in the long run importance seems to be more important than prestige though high importance also improves the prestige very much.
I consider beauty as a part of prestige for this case. It's free prestige that he/she is born with. So in the beginning, when he/she and his/her fellow men are young the league for beautiful people will always be a higher one since nobody is important in this age. But once the importance factor joins the rating it will lose it's meaning more and more.
I don't think that beautiful people will always have beautiful partners. But intelligent people could never be satisfied with a stupid partner. They would feel lonely. How could they both benefit from each other if they won't be able to communicate, if their interests are totally different? Only sexually? Sounds lame. That's the simple version, in the "rating" version there is always a kind of arrogance, it's rather about the person itself than about the one he/she is too low or too high for. It's the egoistical thought of wanting to be superior, some persons wouldn't even be considered as potential partners, they will be filtrated out by his/her mind automatically. Because subconscious there are constantly those rating systems which would concern everybody who is sensated by him/her, the rating would become clearer with every information that would be learned.
In the beginning it's of course the surface which also includes information about ones importance, and later it will become the character.
Isn't that a totally healthy process of evolution?


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02 Nov 2011, 4:09 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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The leagues thing exist in all species, why wouldn't it exist in humans? And it exist in all society's aspects: friendship, work, classes ....why wouldn't it exist in relationships?

Those who deny the leagues thing are simply delusional idealists and out of touch with reality.


You are absolutely right, but the term "league" in my view implies a heirarchy which I believe has no rational basis for existence.

In other words, there is no "higher" or "lower", only "different"...


lol as if hierarchy doesn't exist in a lot of other species. even in bonobos there's some form of hierarchy.


The only thing that counts in nature is the number of viable offspring that survive to reproduce themselves. In bonobo society, the "alphas" have the "right" to produce the most offspring.

If you want to apply that same logic to human society, the "alphas" would be developing societies with the highest fertility rates. Everyone knows that those with the "highest" socioeconomic status in human society produce the fewest offspring overall - making them the "lowest"

So I suppose your basis for heirarchy is the vague notion of "status" or "wealth"?


You can't tell how many mistresses / one night-stands those "highest" socioeconomic humans usually have ;), surely much more than the lowest ones, but the birth pills changed everything.

And no, leagues is more complex than just status and wealth, look, intelligence, education , attractivness... are all about the leagues thing.


She/he's out of my league is an expression used when someone is out of the class of
people you are expected to date. This includes an individual who is too attractive (or too wealthy, or too educated, or too genius...) for you, or a person who is too unattractive (or....or...) for you.


The best advice that can be given to any girl or guy seeking a relationship here is to determine to which league they belong, that's a very important starting point.


Once again, I totally agree with the concepts of social "groups" defined along the lines you mentioned - it's just that my American sensibilities are offended by any notion of heirarchy. I named my son after Thomas Jefferson (his middle name) if that helps any... :wink:



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02 Nov 2011, 4:14 pm

Leagues would form a series of categories and categories require criteria for the specification of their models. What models are selected is a function of what one considers desirable, the methods allowable to the person, and the desired purpose of the model's result. In this way, I doubt there exists objective leagues in any sense and, if there were, their empirical observability seems unlikely; if they cannot be observed, any causal story invoking them is not particularly useful.



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05 Nov 2011, 9:54 am

minervx wrote:
my opinion is: yes, but they are not objectively categorized.


In fairness, actually leagues in sports, where the term arises, aren't objectively categorized. They're subjectively segregated according to hunches back by minimal data.



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05 Nov 2011, 10:03 am

Janissy wrote:
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[If you want to apply that same logic to human society, the "alphas" would be developing societies with the highest fertility rates. Everyone knows that those with the "highest" socioeconomic status in human society produce the fewest offspring overall - making them the "lowest"

So I suppose your basis for heirarchy is the vague notion of "status" or "wealth"?


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It is a human peculiarity that reproduction is controlled most rigidly in those of highest status and this is their genetic undoing. They don't inherit the earth. Royalty of some societies undid themselves by keeping the gene pool too small (I think the Egyptian pharoes even did brother/sister unions, such a bad idea). Of course they could undo that genetic damage by having international marriages to forge alliances (good idea). But then too many children made for some terrible fights over inheritance, sometimes involving murder. Meanwhile the peasants had loads of kids- many of whom died. Even so, I bet the DNA of the people who literally built the pyramids is more broadly scattered across the planet than the DNA of the people who commissioned those pyramids.

There are exceptions. I've heard Genghis Khan is singlehandedly responsible for an over-representation of modern Asian DNA, compared to others alive at that time. And I bet there are rock stars who have more children than they even know about because of groupies who wanted an enduring souvenier. But for the most part, being higher up the status ladder has correlated with having less of your DNA go forward into the future.

Back to the OP. Are leagues real? In a sense they are. There are some people who seem for whatever reason have a disproportionally large number of people who want to be with them. I can't make an objective list of qualities. I can only say that if somebody has a much larger number of people chasing after them than the number of people chasing after you, then they are out of your league by conventional measures. If a woman walks into the room and all heads swivel to see her but no heads swivel when you walk in, then that is a measure. But it's not a firm measure. They might just have swiveled because they all know her and have been awaiting her arrival (it's her birthday party, for example).


I love your posts, Janissy. That is all.


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05 Nov 2011, 12:44 pm

This is pretty league-ish
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05 Nov 2011, 1:01 pm

I think "leagues" has to do with positive assortative mating- that is, people being attracted to those with a similar level of attractiveness, education, income, religiosity, on so on and so forth.

Not to say that the blue collar KFC-loving Christian can't date and marry the raw-food eating atheist college professor,
you just don't see it happen that often.


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05 Nov 2011, 1:09 pm

Okay... serious answer.

I believe leagues are a self-imposed limitation. "She's out of my league" or some variant of is really just saying "I'm not good enough for her". It underlines self-defeat and a low opinion of oneself.

The opposite is true when someone deems themselves out of someone else's league. Over-inflated ego, entitlement, and an unrealistic sense of self-importance.

Are there leagues? Yes, but they are the result of self destructive behavior/thinking.


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05 Nov 2011, 3:44 pm

No. Anyone who thinks there are "leagues" are just setting themselves up for failure.



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09 Nov 2011, 4:10 pm

They only exist subjectively, and as such, they are completely different for each person. They are therefore quite meaningless, since you can't go, "That girl is out of my league" when you know her concept of the "league" is different to yours.

TBH, the whole concept is just extremely simplified BS used by the media to create schadenfreudian "humour" when people get rejected, and occasionally to make someone look "inspirational" when they get a girl "out of their league" :roll:



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09 Nov 2011, 7:28 pm

People graduate college and get married. Fact.

I see the college as the container. And any individual can pick any other individual, and the "leagues" are not a limitation.

That being said, I think similar beliefs and backgrounds allow two people to understand one another at a deeper level. Meaning there are less surprises in the relationship.



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09 Nov 2011, 10:06 pm

Yes I think leagues exist in some sense.

For example a guy like me can probably not date a girl who looks like Victoria Justice or Emma Roberts because these girls are obviously better looking and much more popular than me.



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10 Nov 2011, 2:21 am

"Leagues" is usually translated as "class", both in terms of wealth, and in terms of personality and morality, not to mention looks.
(For instance "low class" can simultaneously mean "poor" AND "oh that person is a lying thief").

I don't even know what "league" I'm in. I think I got booted out of the leagues and don't really fit in anywhere. :P



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10 Nov 2011, 11:19 am

Shebakoby wrote:
I don't even know what "league" I'm in. I think I got booted out of the leagues and don't really fit in anywhere. :P


I laughed.



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10 Nov 2011, 11:53 am

i am a hermit and in nobody's league. would that i could at least belong to a league in which comparisons to other leagues could be made. :hmph: