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Is Biblical inerrancy a Biblical doctrine?
I can't find it. 78%  78%  [ 7 ]
sure is heathen, here is the chapter and verse. 22%  22%  [ 2 ]
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13 Nov 2011, 5:06 pm

In various denominations a belief in Biblical Inerrancy, Infallibility, and Literalism are required.
in others not so much.
Is the belief that the bible is Inerrant a doctrine actually found in scripture?
show your work.

Extra points for a proof text in the Hebrew scripture.


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13 Nov 2011, 7:42 pm

There is that bit in Revelations 22

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For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.


It is possible that when the Bible was being cobbled together some centuries later, the cobblers intended this passage to refer to the entire Bible.



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13 Nov 2011, 8:01 pm

pandabear wrote:
There is that bit in Revelations 22

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For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.


It is possible that when the Bible was being cobbled together some centuries later, the cobblers intended this passage to refer to the entire Bible.


That is a repeat of Deuteronomy 4:2 which if read that way would ironically exclude everything except the the five books.


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13 Nov 2011, 9:24 pm

Literalism is a subset of inerrancy and inerrancy is a subset of divine inspiration. One of these doctrines are necessary for salvation. I personally sit somewhere between inspiration and inerrancy.


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13 Nov 2011, 9:27 pm

91 wrote:
Literalism is a subset of inerrancy and inerrancy is a subset of divine inspiration. One of these doctrines are necessary for salvation. I personally sit somewhere between inspiration and inerrancy.


That seems to be a perfectly defensible seat for a believer.
If one is to be religious I think he should have some belief in the text.
(although ruveyn seems to disagree :lol: )


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13 Nov 2011, 9:34 pm

Correction none of those doctrines is necessary for salvation. My error.


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13 Nov 2011, 10:33 pm

91 wrote:
Correction none of those doctrines is necessary for salvation. My error.


Oh, I meant found in the bible not needed for salvation. but you can be right both times if you want. :)


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13 Nov 2011, 11:50 pm

I figure it's more complex than that.

We're dealing with translations of translations.

Above and beyond that, the meaning of words changes over time. Sometimes drastically. 180 degree turns of meaning over time are not unheard of. Even in just a century.

Claiming to know what the original author meant based on a contemporary translation is conjecture at best.

Plus i've heard that the rules for translating ancient greek are entirely different if you are translating scripture vs. secular text.



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14 Nov 2011, 11:03 am

JakobVirgil wrote:
Is the belief that the bible is Inerrant a doctrine actually found in scripture?

Not as far as I can tell, and I have found this principle very helpful:

"The wording was ... quite optional so long as we expressed the idea, voicing it without reservation." ("A.A.", the book, page 63)

Scripture seems to indicate there is a sovereign Creator who extends His very best to anyone willing to accept it, and that seems to me to be the message of Scripture even if not everyone there fully understands that and/or conveys it perfectly.


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14 Nov 2011, 11:05 am

leejosepho wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Is the belief that the bible is Inerrant a doctrine actually found in scripture?

Not as far as I can tell, and I have found this principle very helpful:

"The wording was ... quite optional so long as we expressed the idea, voicing it without reservation." ("A.A.", the book, page 63)

Scripture seems to indicate there is a sovereign Creator who extends His very best to anyone willing to accept it, and that seems to me to be the message of Scripture even if not everyone there fully understands that and/or conveys it perfectly.


Tell that to the folks at Sodom and Gemorrah.

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14 Nov 2011, 5:02 pm

Meaning that every matter that pertains to science or history is inerrant? Not on your life.
The only matter that I as a Christian believer take as the "Gospel truth" is Christ's dual nature and his death and resurrection for the salvation of mankind.

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14 Nov 2011, 5:17 pm

someone called me a heathen but did not show chapter and verse. :cry:


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15 Nov 2011, 7:56 am

ruveyn wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Is the belief that the bible is Inerrant a doctrine actually found in scripture?

Not as far as I can tell, and I have found this principle very helpful:

"The wording was ... quite optional so long as we expressed the idea, voicing it without reservation." ("A.A.", the book, page 63)

Scripture seems to indicate there is a sovereign Creator who extends His very best to anyone willing to accept it, and that seems to me to be the message of Scripture even if not everyone there fully understands that and/or conveys it perfectly.


Tell that to the folks at Sodom and Gemorrah.

If He had not already given them His best for them, I would certainly try!


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15 Nov 2011, 11:32 am

JakobVirgil wrote:
someone called me a heathen but did not show chapter and verse. :cry:


It must have been one of those drive-by liberal-media smears about which we've heard so much.

Anyway, here is a riddle for you: "Can God build a luxury cruise ship that is so big, and fill it with so many b*****s, that even He can't count all the b*****s?"

I think that I have just proven that God lacks omnipotence. You cannot answer either in the afirmative or negative without admitting that there is something that God cannot do.

Can God write a Book that is so perfect that even He cannot find the internal contradictions?