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16 Nov 2011, 5:11 pm

http://www.space.com/13618-russia-phobo ... ilent.html

I had a lot of hope for this mission. A landing on Phobos sounded really interesting, and the Chinese also had a Mars orbiter attached to it. It would have been an excellent sample return mission. There is a chance they will fix it, which I am really hoping they do. Mars seriously does not like Russia, apparently, since it now won't even let them get probes out of Earth orbit!


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17 Nov 2011, 9:08 am

Vigilans wrote:
http://www.space.com/13618-russia-phobos-grunt-mars-spacecraft-silent.html

I had a lot of hope for this mission. A landing on Phobos sounded really interesting, and the Chinese also had a Mars orbiter attached to it. It would have been an excellent sample return mission. There is a chance they will fix it, which I am really hoping they do. Mars seriously does not like Russia, apparently, since it now won't even let them get probes out of Earth orbit!


Frankly, I suspect sabotage.

Phobos is like a "forbidden planet" with a lot of crazy stuff rumored about it. Getting a probe on it has been desired by many to answer questions, and it seems every effort is being frustrated.

If some of the theories about the true nature of Phobos are true, I could see why someone would tinker with a mission to ensure it fails.



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17 Nov 2011, 11:51 am

zer0netgain wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
http://www.space.com/13618-russia-phobos-grunt-mars-spacecraft-silent.html

I had a lot of hope for this mission. A landing on Phobos sounded really interesting, and the Chinese also had a Mars orbiter attached to it. It would have been an excellent sample return mission. There is a chance they will fix it, which I am really hoping they do. Mars seriously does not like Russia, apparently, since it now won't even let them get probes out of Earth orbit!


Frankly, I suspect sabotage.

Phobos is like a "forbidden planet" with a lot of crazy stuff rumored about it. Getting a probe on it has been desired by many to answer questions, and it seems every effort is being frustrated.

If some of the theories about the true nature of Phobos are true, I could see why someone would tinker with a mission to ensure it fails.


The Martian moons are captured asteroids. Nothing forbidden about them except that it is hard to land a probe on a low mass object.

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17 Nov 2011, 3:29 pm

Agreed. Phobos is a fairly typical asteroid (I think its a rubble-pile type, or maybe I'm getting mixed up with Deimos there). Claims that it is hollow have not been validated. The rubble-pile nature of it explains the low density. The main reason why probe to Phobos would be exciting is to see if there are any resources there that could be used by a Mars mission--in particular to produce rocket fuel. That was we could send a mission to establish a presence on Phobos before descending to the Martian surface from there. I remember when I first read about the probe several years ago I thought it was an exciting project. And now it might not make it... :(



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17 Nov 2011, 4:46 pm

zer0netgain wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
http://www.space.com/13618-russia-phobos-grunt-mars-spacecraft-silent.html

I had a lot of hope for this mission. A landing on Phobos sounded really interesting, and the Chinese also had a Mars orbiter attached to it. It would have been an excellent sample return mission. There is a chance they will fix it, which I am really hoping they do. Mars seriously does not like Russia, apparently, since it now won't even let them get probes out of Earth orbit!


Frankly, I suspect sabotage.

Phobos is like a "forbidden planet" with a lot of crazy stuff rumored about it. Getting a probe on it has been desired by many to answer questions, and it seems every effort is being frustrated.

If some of the theories about the true nature of Phobos are true, I could see why someone would tinker with a mission to ensure it fails.


Sabotage? What leads you to suspect that? Phobos is a pretty typical asteroid. The rumors about it being a hollow alien space station or whatever are pretty silly... I didn't think you were one for tinfoil hattery zer0netgain (unless you're referring to rumors I am unaware of, in which case I apologize). If sabotage is now a normal part of space industry that is dire for the future of the industry, public and private


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24 Nov 2011, 8:07 pm

Radio contact was made with Phobos-Grunt today by ESA observers in Perth, Australia, helping out the Russians at their request. The mission may not be a catastrophe after all. :) They need to fire the engine soon or the launch window will be missed and they will have to wait until 2013; assuming the probe doesn't crash to Earth in the mean time


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24 Nov 2011, 10:30 pm

Vigilans wrote:
I didn't think you were one for tinfoil hattery zer0netgain

I'm pretty sure zer0netgain is the one in Politics and Philosophy who likes to talk about how Obama was not really born in the USA (and hence should not be eligible to be president) and that Obama is a Marxist-Leninist (which, if true, means Obama is the ultimate embarrassment to all socialists, communists, and Marxist to have ever walked the face of the Earth).



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25 Nov 2011, 7:33 pm

AstroGeek wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
I didn't think you were one for tinfoil hattery zer0netgain

I'm pretty sure zer0netgain is the one in Politics and Philosophy who likes to talk about how Obama was not really born in the USA (and hence should not be eligible to be president) and that Obama is a Marxist-Leninist (which, if true, means Obama is the ultimate embarrassment to all socialists, communists, and Marxist to have ever walked the face of the Earth).


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I dunno, I seem to recall him saying intelligent things generally. Maybe I am mistaken.


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