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01 Dec 2011, 3:04 am

This is where narcissism comes in handy. Forget the middle ground. You don't need to fit in. Forge a new path. You're the man, and anyone who sees it otherwise is de facto wrong.



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01 Dec 2011, 3:14 am

Actually, I have the opposite problem. I have always been confident and I quit caring what people thought of me when I was a pre-teen. It was interesting because when I was 16-18 years old and in school, everyone remarked how "amazing" it was that I didn't care about fitting in. When I became an adult I realized that I had to learn some social skills and be cooperative in order to be employable. So, in order to have a job, I had to "deal" with people somehow (co-workers, boss, customers, etc.)
I somehow (quite randomly) ended up with a few good friends on the way.
I always used to joke and say that I was never embarrassed. Some people thought that was due to confidence but the full truth was that I didn't understand social situations much.

I think it really comes down to feeling good about yourself and remembering that there is no "correct" way to live your life. Also, hanging out with people that make you feel bad is worse than being around no one.



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01 Dec 2011, 3:55 am

Confidence may not even be the issue. I thought for years I was unconfident, when in reality I was just terrible in social situations so other people assumed I was lacking in confidence, which rubbed off on me I suppose.



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01 Dec 2011, 4:09 am

Icyclan wrote:
Confidence may not even be the issue. I thought for years I was unconfident, when in reality I was just terrible in social situations so other people assumed I was lacking in confidence, which rubbed off on me I suppose.


I think this sums it up most succinctly in one sentence for me. I've always felt very confident in areas that play to my strengths (inflated pockets of self-worth). Like in History and music classes........ displaying my intelligence and ability...... but then ineffectiveness in math class.

Its just 'I always do 'the wrong thing" when actually out and about, which NT's interpret as a low self-esteem. (they smell blood when they see someone not like them) I've also had lots of jobs that worked in the service sector, where my performance was decidedly inferior to my NT colleagues, and this difference was apparent to everybody. Struggling so badly for so many years definitely ruined me.

The rare times I have been lucky enough to function in a positive arena for me, I've been as confident as any "NT." (smiles) Its just a matter of me finding a comfort zone in life and running with it.



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01 Dec 2011, 5:19 am

This is one of my main reasons for considering home schooling my daughter. Even at 6yrs, the other kids can be really nasty. Whenever I've raised this with the school, I've been told that my daughter needs to learn how to respond effectively. There's never been a mention about what they intend to do about the nasty kids - they're 'normal' and this is acceptable behaviour for a 6yr old, apparently. They haven't even asked for names, so that they could watch out for similar incidents. I had a meeting with them on Tuesday. I described an incident that I had witnessed, where a child was particularly horrible to my daughter. The depute head said that I should teach my daughter to assume she didn't mean anything bad in what she said (even though it was pretty obvious that she did). My daughter's all too aware of the negativity in the other girl's words. After thinking about it, I realised that, in effect, her advice was for my daughter to pretend to be stupid/gullible. I doubt pretending to not realise she was being mean to her is a good way of dealing with it. I also think it would make her even more likely to be a target in future. From personal experience, being spoken to in a disrespectful manner, day in day out, has a major effect on your self esteem/ confidence. Those nasty kids grow into nasty adults too, having never been told that their behaviour is unacceptable. At the moment, we are planning on taking her out of school as of the Christmas holiday.

I'd be interested to hear stories (related to confidence) from anyone who was home schooled.


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01 Dec 2011, 5:42 am

"The depute head said that I should teach my daughter to assume she didn't mean anything bad in what she said (even though it was pretty obvious that she did"

I never perceived bullying, but I was in a very middle class school in a village. Wouldn't like to have grown up with city kids. You don't want her to avoid people out of bitterness later.



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01 Dec 2011, 6:52 am

According to some people, you just wave a magic wand.


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01 Dec 2011, 7:09 am

Mummy_of_Peanut wrote:
This is one of my main reasons for considering home schooling my daughter. Even at 6yrs, the other kids can be really nasty. Whenever I've raised this with the school, I've been told that my daughter needs to learn how to respond effectively. There's never been a mention about what they intend to do about the nasty kids - they're 'normal' and this is acceptable behaviour for a 6yr old, apparently. They haven't even asked for names, so that they could watch out for similar incidents. I had a meeting with them on Tuesday. I described an incident that I had witnessed, where a child was particularly horrible to my daughter. The depute head said that I should teach my daughter to assume she didn't mean anything bad in what she said (even though it was pretty obvious that she did). My daughter's all too aware of the negativity in the other girl's words. After thinking about it, I realised that, in effect, her advice was for my daughter to pretend to be stupid/gullible. I doubt pretending to not realise she was being mean to her is a good way of dealing with it. I also think it would make her even more likely to be a target in future. From personal experience, being spoken to in a disrespectful manner, day in day out, has a major effect on your self esteem/ confidence. Those nasty kids grow into nasty adults too, having never been told that their behaviour is unacceptable. At the moment, we are planning on taking her out of school as of the Christmas holiday.

I'd be interested to hear stories (related to confidence) from anyone who was home schooled.


Ouch! Talk about blaming the victim. School is always like that (I went to many different schools when I was younger). I completely agree with you kids need to be taught at a young age not to be nasty so that don't grow up to be nasty adults. There were a few times where I got the "we don't care about you and we don't like you" vibe growing up. It is good that you are able to offer your daughter some other options.



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01 Dec 2011, 7:21 am

Joe90 wrote:
According to some people, you just wave a magic wand.


Sorry, I really wish I could be more helpful, but you really need to stop worrying what others think about you. It is very likely that people are not laughing at you and staring at you. Most people are focused about their own business and are not actively looking to stare and laugh at people. The cinema example you gave--the teenagers were most likely not laughing at you.

Somehow you need to change you perception of how people view you and how you view yourself. I don't know if some kind of therapy would help with this.



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01 Dec 2011, 7:22 am

jackbus01 wrote:
Ouch! Talk about blaming the victim. School is always like that (I went to many different schools when I was younger). I completely agree with you kids need to be taught at a young age not to be nasty so that don't grow up to be nasty adults. There were a few times where I got the "we don't care about you and we don't like you" vibe growing up. It is good that you are able to offer your daughter some other options.


I used to get that too. I was a very outgoing youngster, who at 7yrs became incredibly shy and selectively mute. It took me 25 years (and being away from people I didn't want to be with, on maternity leave) to regain confidence. That's why I'm so determined to make sure she doesn't have to go through this. Home schooling might not be the answer, but we'll give it a try.


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01 Dec 2011, 11:51 am

The OP is a very good writer...and what he described sounds very close to what my son went through in public school however the OP is older and is eager to find his place in the world... I have resonance with all that he described. It is a lot to overcome, that kind of experience growing up, but never quit and never give up is my personal motto. Feel the fear and do it anyway is another way to move forward, tell yourself, this is going to feel really awkward to me and I am way out of my comfort zone, but I am going to do it anyway.

I have also found for myself, when I feeling very uncomfortable, such as asking a friend for a favor, I ask myself, what if the friend asked you for this favor, what would you say, and of course I would say yes to my friend. I would do that in a heart beat for my friend. Then I have the courage to ask...not to mention the follow up question, 'what's the worst thing that could happen if I ask?', they will say no. And the world will keep spinning. By the way, no one has ever said no. My own version of talking myself into self confidence....

So, on that note, some links I found about social confidence and don't forget that old Dale Carnegie book: How to win friends and influence people, a quote from the Wikipedia page on this book:

Six Ways to Make People Like You


Become genuinely interested in other people.

Smile.

Remember that a person's name is, to that person, the sweetest and most important sound in any language.

Be a good listener. Encourage others to talk about themselves.

Talk in terms of the other person's interest.

Make the other person feel important – and do it sincerely.


This was written for parents of children with autism but many good ideas:



Autism Today

and from lifehack.org

Written for NTs but a lot of good ideas here:

Confidence is a tool you can use in your everyday life to do all kinds of cool stuff, not least to stop second-guessing yourself, manage your fears and become able to do more of the things that really matter to you.

But not many people realise that their self-confidence works just like a muscle – it grows in response to the level of performance required of it. Either you use it or you lose it. That’s why I’ve given you 63 ways to grow your confidence so that you can become a giant.

Learning is a Good Thing, so sign up for that evening class and enjoy it.

Get out of your own head by asking your partner or best friend what you can do for them today.

Hit the gym. The physiological effects will leave you feeling great.

Go to a networking event and focus on how you can be helpful to other people rather than being nervous about your own stuff.

Get crystal clear on the things that truly matter to you. If they’re not in your life, you need to bring them in.

Write a list of the things you’re tolerating and putting up with in your life, then write down how you can remove, minimise or diminish each one.

Look at a great win or success you’ve experienced and give yourself credit for your part in it. Recognising your achievements is not egotistical, it’s healthy.

Next time you’re at a social event, don’t just stick with the people you know – go and have a conversation with someone you don’t know and you never know what – or who – you’ll discover.

Next time you talk yourself out of doing something (a party invite, a challenging project or whatever else), say ‘What the Hell’ and go do it anyway.

Do one thing each day that makes you smile (on the inside or on the outside).

Look for the patterns of thought that take you to a place where you start second-guessing or over-thinking. Now imagine that your best friend went through exactly the same thought process and ended up holding themselves back – what would you want to say to them?

Ask out that girl or guy you fancy the pants off (only if you’re single, don’t want to get you into trouble).

You have to keep your mind well fed, so write a list of 20 things that keeps your mind feeling nourished and make sure you’re giving them room in your life.

Stop playing different roles and squeezing yourself into boxes based on what you think people expect you to act like.

Learn to catch yourself every single time you tell yourself that you can’t have, won’t get or aren’t good enough to get what you want.

Take yourself off auto-pilot – make deliberate decisions on what really matters to you.

Next time you come up against a risk or a challenge, listen to what you tell yourself and look for a way that that inner dialog can be improved. Ask yourself, “What would make this easier?”

Scared of looking silly? You and everyone else. It’s no biggie so don’t let it stop you. Say it with me – “It just doesn’t matter.”

Don’t think for a second that you can’t be confident. There are already loads of things you do with natural self-confidence, you just have to notice them and get familiar with how it feels. Look for the things you do where the question of whether you’re confident enough never arises.

Listen to your doubts but be ready to make deliberate decisions once you’ve heard them. Sometimes your doubts are there to let you know what you need to prepare for, so you can use them to your benefit as you move forwards.

Think of a time when it felt like a whole bank of switches in your head flicked to the on position and you were firing on all cylinders. What were you doing and what’s the reason it felt so great?

You’ve got a whole bunch of out-dated rules that determine what you do, don’t do, should do and shouldn’t do. These rules limit your thinking and limit your behaviour. Tear up your rule book and notice how free you are to make great decisions.

Do you get annoyed with yourself because you didn’t make the most of something or stepped back form an opportunity? Don’t beat yourself up because that’s just going to make you feel worse. Instead, be brutally honest and ask yourself what you gained from the situation and what you lost out on. Based on this win/lose balance, what’s a different choice you can make next time?

If you’d already done everything in life you’d have no need to be scared. Don’t ever think that being scared means you’re not confident, it simply means you’re going somewhere new.

If there’s someone in your life who puts you down or makes you feel small, you owe it to yourself to let them know that you expect something different from now on. You deserve better.

Flirt. It’s a harmless way to play around with connecting with people and having fun.

Reveal a little bit of the real you in a relationship that might feel like it’s in a rut.

Acknowledge and welcome all of your experiences – the good stuff as well as the bad stuff. It’s all equally valid and hiding things away because you don’t like them is just creating conflict.

Always recognise that you’re more than a match for any situation you might find yourself in, no matter how tough the going gets.

Don’t get swept up in the drama of what’s happening right now, look for more useful ways of engaging with what happens in your life.

Don’t automatically give in to the instant pay-off – it often means you’re selling yourself short.

When you feel like stamping your foot and yelling “I deserve better than this!”, take a step back and say “I can BE better than this.”

Confidence sometimes means admitting you’re wrong – always be ready to hold your hands up and change your mind.

Trust your instincts. They know what they’re talking about.

Fear is a way of letting you know that you’re about to stretch yourself and grow your confidence. That’s a good thing, so use it to take yourself forwards rather than run away.

Imagine you’re visited by a successful, confident, attractive and vibrant version of you from the future, a version of you who’s everything you hope to be. What do they want to tell you?

Don’t feel like you have to do everything yourself – sometimes the most confident thing to do is ask for help.

Take a chance on something tomorrow. Anything, big or small, just take a chance.

You need to be around people who make you feel like YOU, so spend more time with the people who support and encourage you and less with those who undermine you.

Stop struggling against the things you don’t like in your life – create a congruent environment around you that flows and allows you to be you.

No man’s an island, and you need to be a part of the world you around to feel confident. What can you participate in that’s important to you?

Forget the pro’s and con’s – do something bold in the face of your challenges and fears.

Work on developing the skills you need to win at the things that matter to you. What can you practice that would radically improve your chances of winning?

The body is a mirror for the mind, so shifting your body into a confident state can have surprising results.

Don’t get disheartened or demotivated when you get to 90% with something you’re working on – push through and you’ll see that the last 10% is where the magic happens.

Keep comparing yourself to others? Stop it, don’t try to validate yourself through comparison – you’re just peachy as you are.

Put your head above the parapet at work and speak up if there’s something you think could be improved or if you have an idea you think has legs.

If there’s something you’ve been struggling to understand for a while, stop trying to understand it. Accept it just as it is, fully and wholly.

Shy with new people? Not a problem, there’s nothing wrong with being shy and it doesn’t mean you’re not confident. Just don’t overthink it, start beating yourself up or thinking you’re less than because you’re shy – the more you think like that the worse it gets.

Your environment directly impacts your self-perception, so if you’re surrounded by clutter, paperwork and rubbish put a morning aside to clean up your stuff and get organised.

Write yourself a list of the amazing things you’d love to do in your life, and make a start by simply looking into the first one or two things that leap out at you.

Don’t make your happiness or self-worth dependent on being in a relationship or being validated by someone else. Find your inherent value first, and your relationships and confidence will be immeasurably better.

Your strengths can be used to overcome any of your weaknesses. We all have weaknesses but they only undermine your confidence if you let them.

The longer you leave that big thing on your to-do list the more it’ll drain you and the bigger it’ll seem – get it done and free yourself up.

What golden threads, themes, patterns and passions have always been in your life? If those things aren’t present in your life right now, you need to shift your priorities.
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our body image does matter, because if you have a bad relationship with your body you won’t be feeling confident in yourself. Get trim if you need to, just make sure you get along with your body.

Being confident is an ongoing process. It isn’t a goal or an end-point that you reach and then stop. Keep playing to the best of your ability and your confidence will always be there to support you.

Try a new path. The well-trodden paths of your life can easily turn from familiarity to apathy and disconnection. A new path wakes you up.

Don’t say “Yes” to taking on a task simply because you don’t want to rock the boat – you can politely decline requests you can’t meet and don’t need to create an excuse for it.

Look at the people you respect who seem confident – don’t copy them, but identify what it is they do differently that conveys confidence and what you can learn from it.

Make a plan to do something, then make deliberate choices to follow through. Seeing progress gives you important self-reinforcement.

When you feel yourself focusing inwards and becoming paralysed with doubt or fear, switch to focusing outwards at what you can engage and interact with.

Still beating yourself up for failing or screwing up? It might not be a barrel of laughs but it’s not going to help you get through it. Much better to recognise that everything, whether it turns out or not, is how you practice living a rich life.



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01 Dec 2011, 11:56 am

I do not have much confidence in my ability to socialise due to a lot of social failures, however, I do have a lot of confidence in my other skills. I like myself for who I am, I just know that I am often rejected by the world no matter how hard I try or how much effort I put in, so I have given up trying to socialise now. I am not even going to try and get it right any more as it is never good enough for people even when I try.

I will continue to try and be polite and considerate though as I don't like to hurt peoples feelings but I am not going to try to fit in or get socialising right any more. People can either take me or leave me as I am, cause I have had enough now.



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01 Dec 2011, 1:44 pm

I still have a big desire to try and succeed socially. I feel i'm getting better and closer to normalcy, but I'm just a late bloomer.

I could make no progress before I was DXed, as I did not know the root cause of my problems. Without knowing the cause, all of the efforts to help myself were futile since I had no idea what I was even looking for or really trying to fix. Once I knew about AS, I was finally able to start turning things around since I finally had some conception of things.

Before I was DXed, I would try all sorts of things: jobs, schools, the military. Anything I did was doomed to failure........ I'd burn out, or have one bad experience and lose my confidence and be right back at square one. I was doing the wrong type of things and the wrong occupations (service sector ones) that I had no chance of success in. (In the suburbs, and with only a HS diploma and no "connections", pretty much the only jobs i could get were service sector ones.)

It was really incredibly bad actually. I would just go from job to job, firing after firing, and I had only the vaguest idea of why I was such a mess.