What's your favourite Linux distro?
It infects the users themselves.
It is called...
... wait for it...
... Linux!
(Once it has wormed its way into your brain, you cannot return to a sub-standard operating system - ever. There is no cure.)
Very relevant to the thread I think
You should give the link, so you can see the hover text... http://xkcd.com/272/
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I remember an interview with Charlie Miller where IIRC he said that finding exploits in Linux is no harder and could even be easier than OSX. The main reason being many vulnerabilities are in the browsers, flash etc which most are used on all major OS's these days.
Charlie Miller is right, of course - browser exploits, Flash exploits, and so on can effect any OS. But that's not enough to install a virus. Most of those exploits are like gateways into a system. After that, you need additional exploits, usually at least one privilege escalation exploit, to actually do anything to a system.
On Windows, however, you usually don't, because of the system's design. And as long as you keep everything up to date, your UNIX system will be very secure as a result. Also, if you use NoScript, and only allow sites you trust to run scripts or Flash elements, you're also very safe from anything browser-based.
In fact, there was once a Facebook worm which used Java to install a virus on computers. At least, it did on Windows. On OS X and Linux systems, it couldn't do anything without authorisation even if the Java exploit existed on the target system.
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It infects the users themselves.
It is called...
... wait for it...
... Linux!
(Once it has wormed its way into your brain, you cannot return to a sub-standard operating system - ever. There is no cure.)
Cautionary
A quote from a satire article called 'Is Your Son a Computer Hacker?', you can read the rest of it HERE
BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War. It is based on a program called "xenix", which was written by Microsoft for the US government. These programs are used by hackers to break into other people's computer systems to steal credit card numbers. They may also be used to break into people's stereos to steal their music, using the "mp3" program. Torovoltos is a notorious hacker, responsible for writing many hacker programs, such as "telnet", which is used by hackers to connect to machines on the internet without using a telephone.
Your son may try to install "lunix" on your hard drive. If he is careful, you may not notice its presence, however, lunix is a capricious beast, and if handled incorrectly, your son may damage your computer, and even break it completely by deleting Windows, at which point you will have to have your computer repaired by a professional.
If you see the word "LILO" during your windows startup (just after you turn the machine on), your son has installed lunix. In order to get rid of it, you will have to send your computer back to the manufacturer, and have them fit a new hard drive. Lunix is extremely dangerous software, and cannot be removed without destroying part of your hard disk surface.
Why do you keep equating Linux with Unix, viruses with malware, bare bones system disconnected from the net with what the average user requires? You say more is required once the browser has been exploited. Have you looked at Ubuntu's security page? How many libraries have buffer overrun vulnerabilities etc? Getting access through malformed iso's etc?
A few months ago I researched this stuff when MacDefender hit. I do not use a mac, though have in the past and find it too dumbed down (why do you think schools are using them?) I have Lion running in a vm just to support these puter illiterate users.
I've had absolutely no malware (that me or Santa Claus knows of) in the time I've been running win7. I will set up a default win7 box, behind a basic non-firewalled router. If you can hack it I will give you $1000. No joke. You said it was easy. Lets see your balls.
BTW, I'm building a system based on LFS's guidelines as an Android and arduino dev environment (none of the distros make wet stains in my pants) so I'm not anti-linux. Just don't believe that any OS is immune to attacks. It all comes down to the neuronal mess that sits between those ears. Also what is more viable economically. Tell me, what is the number one stolen car model in America? And how expensive is it?
EDIT: And when you say "Linux" you're talking about a kernel. When you say "Windows" your'e talking OS kernel with packaged software - apples to oranges. Also when Miller was asked last year what his safest choice for web surfing was, between windows and mac, he said Win7 with ie8 or chrome and no flash.
EDIT: And when you say "Linux" you're talking about a kernel. When you say "Windows" your'e talking OS kernel with packaged software - apples to oranges. Also when Miller was asked last year what his safest choice for web surfing was, between windows and mac, he said Win7 with ie8 or chrome and no flash.
I really don't buy his claims of Windows 7 using IE8 or Chrome with no Flash being the most secure because: 1 Things already become less vulnerable by taking away 3rd party plug-ins. 2 Most people are saying the opposite about IE. 3 IE still allows for the use of ActiveX Controls which has been one of IE's many weak points in the past and still is.
The difference is how quick the exploits get fixed. Linux is good in this respect. But the relatively small number of updates MS are pushing with win7 show it's nowhere near as bad as it was with XP etc. And yet there is so many people here who think XP is the bees knees of windows OS's. I tell you the number of infections I see on Windows machines drop around 80-90% when people upgrade from xp to w7, without changing browsing habits. which correlates with the studies done by nonsuckmydick reviewers. I get maybe 5 critical updates every couple of months. You think that's just because they're lazy? Many high-profile high security organizations run win server these days and it's rising.
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The difference is how quick the exploits get fixed. Linux is good in this respect. But the relatively small number of updates MS are pushing with win7 show it's nowhere near as bad as it was with XP etc. And yet there is so many people here who think XP is the bees knees of windows OS's. I tell you the number of infections I see on Windows machines drop around 80-90% when people upgrade from xp to w7, without changing browsing habits. which correlates with the studies done by nonsuckmydick reviewers. I get maybe 5 critical updates every couple of months. You think that's just because they're lazy? Many high-profile high security organizations run win server these days and it's rising.
BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War. It is based on a program called "xenix", which was written by Microsoft for the US government. These programs are used by hackers to break into other people's computer systems to steal credit card numbers. They may also be used to break into people's stereos to steal their music, using the "mp3" program. Torovoltos is a notorious hacker, responsible for writing many hacker programs, such as "telnet", which is used by hackers to connect to machines on the internet without using a telephone.
Your son may try to install "lunix" on your hard drive. If he is careful, you may not notice its presence, however, lunix is a capricious beast, and if handled incorrectly, your son may damage your computer, and even break it completely by deleting Windows, at which point you will have to have your computer repaired by a professional.
If you see the word "LILO" during your windows startup (just after you turn the machine on), your son has installed lunix. In order to get rid of it, you will have to send your computer back to the manufacturer, and have them fit a new hard drive. Lunix is extremely dangerous software, and cannot be removed without destroying part of your hard disk surface.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkLtXfsPqVQ[/youtube]
Brilliant, isn't it?
A few months ago I researched this stuff when MacDefender hit. I do not use a mac, though have in the past and find it too dumbed down (why do you think schools are using them?) I have Lion running in a vm just to support these puter illiterate users.
I've had absolutely no malware (that me or Santa Claus knows of) in the time I've been running win7. I will set up a default win7 box, behind a basic non-firewalled router. If you can hack it I will give you $1000. No joke. You said it was easy. Lets see your balls.
BTW, I'm building a system based on LFS's guidelines as an Android and arduino dev environment (none of the distros make wet stains in my pants) so I'm not anti-linux. Just don't believe that any OS is immune to attacks. It all comes down to the neuronal mess that sits between those ears. Also what is more viable economically. Tell me, what is the number one stolen car model in America? And how expensive is it?
EDIT: And when you say "Linux" you're talking about a kernel. When you say "Windows" your'e talking OS kernel with packaged software - apples to oranges. Also when Miller was asked last year what his safest choice for web surfing was, between windows and mac, he said Win7 with ie8 or chrome and no flash.
lxuser already addressed this, so I won't repeat him.
I may make a shift to Linux after the new Amigas come out, apparently, the new Amiga OS is going to be a Linux flavor.
Just Commodore is dragging their heels with the new Amigas.
Well, they are not a very large operation these days, so development is very slow.
But being a fan of the Amiga in the past, I have high hopes for the new platform to take over the Linux world.
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Ok so sort of back on topic - what's a nice lean, clean and stable distro to use as a dev environment base? Aren't there some built just for this purpose? I may be getting an Arduino this week and haven't the time to get my LFS system done for it.
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Seriously, just install Debian. It's simple, easy, stable, and it works. Arch/Gentoo/Slackware are Linux for masochists. (Note Halibut asked for something stable- Arch and Gentoo are rolling releases and hence significantly less stable than Debian)
If you want to run Linux because it's better than Windows for what you do, then Debian is the most straightforward way of doing it. If you only want geek cred, then you can run Gentoo.
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Seriously, just install Debian. It's simple, easy, stable, and it works. Arch/Gentoo/Slackware are Linux for masochists. (Note Halibut asked for something stable- Arch and Gentoo are rolling releases and hence significantly less stable than Debian)
If you want to run Linux because it's better than Windows for what you do, then Debian is the most straightforward way of doing it. If you only want geek cred, then you can run Gentoo.
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