Is Bill Clinton responsible for mass murder?

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23 Dec 2011, 9:10 pm

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Published on Friday, July 21, 2000 at 1:23 PM ET by Reuters
UN Says Sanctions Have Killed Some 500,000 Iraqi Children

BAGHDAD - A senior U.N. official said Friday about half a million children under the age of 5 have died in Iraq since the imposition of U.N. sanctions 10 years ago.

Anupama Rao Singh, country director for the U.N. Children's Fund (UNICEF), made the estimate in an interview with Reuters.

``In absolute terms we estimate that perhaps about half a million children under 5 years of age have died, who ordinarily would not have died had the decline in mortality that was prevalent over the 70s and the 80s continued through the 90s,'' she said.

A UNICEF survey published in August showed the mortality rate among Iraqi children under 5 had more than doubled in the government-controlled south and center of Iraq during the sanctions.

Baghdad said the UNICEF survey proved that the sanctions were killing thousands of children every month and called for an immediate end to the embargo.

Rao Sigh blamed malnutrition for the high mortality rate among children.

``Nutrition was not a public health problem in Iraq in the 80s. It emerged as a major problem in the 90s and it increased steadily till about 1996,'' Singh said.

She said since the start of the U.N. oil-for-food program, malnutrition rates among children had stabilized, but death rates remained extremely high.

``One in four children below 5 suffers from some form of malnutrition or other and most of them are chronically malnourished,'' Rao Singh said.

Sanctions were imposed on Iraq as punishment for its 1990 invasion of Kuwait, although the United Nations has allowed Iraq to sell oil to buy food, medicine and other humanitarian supplies.

Rao Singh said the sanctions also have affected the quality of education, with many children forced to leave schools to hustle a living on the streets.

``There has been a drop in enrollment, an increase in drop- outs ... children working, children in the street -- all of which, we believe, is going to affect the quality of human resources that Iraq will have in the future,'' she said.

According to Rao Singh, the sanctions have caused massive impoverishment except for a small proportion of the elite. ``The majority of middle class people in Iraq, for instance, now find themselves having to do all sorts of mean and insecure jobs to survive,'' she said.



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Where does Bill Clinton rank amongst the great mass murderers of the 20th century if he is indeed responsible for the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children under the age of 5?

Were these deaths worth it as Madeline Albright as said?



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23 Dec 2011, 9:13 pm

Nonsense. The fault lies entirely with the Iraqi government.

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23 Dec 2011, 9:20 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Nonsense. The fault lies entirely with the Iraqi government.

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Saddam Hussein was an evil man and shares a great deal of the blame for leading his country into ruin but he didn't place these sanctions on the Iraqi people. Who were these sanctions even targeted at? Who were they suppose to hurt? Were these deaths worth it as Madeline Albright said they were?



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24 Dec 2011, 12:13 pm

Jacoby wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Nonsense. The fault lies entirely with the Iraqi government.

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Saddam Hussein was an evil man and shares a great deal of the blame for leading his country into ruin but he didn't place these sanctions on the Iraqi people. Who were these sanctions even targeted at? Who were they suppose to hurt? Were these deaths worth it as Madeline Albright said they were?


All Saadam had to do was step down. Then no more sanctions. His fault. Period.

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26 Dec 2011, 7:53 pm

By that logic the Israeli and West German governments are responsible for the deaths of those Israeli athletes at Munich in 1972. After all they could have given in to the demands of the hostage takers.

By the way, that mass killing through sanctions (and the Gulf War targets were chosen to 'accelerate the effects of sanctions' and also were war crimes) was a reason for the September 11 attacks, or so Bin Laden said.



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26 Dec 2011, 8:14 pm

I read Albright's response to that interview, she admitted that she made a mistake when approaching a loaded question. It is more likely an interview mess up on her part than some mea culpa.

'I must have been crazy; I should have answered the question by reframing it and pointing out the inherent flaws in the premise behind it. … As soon as I had spoken, I wished for the power to freeze time and take back those words. My reply had been a terrible mistake, hasty, clumsy, and wrong. … I had fallen into a trap and said something that I simply did not mean. That is no one’s fault but my own.'
-Albright, Madeleine (2003). Madam Secretary: A Memoir. p. 275


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26 Dec 2011, 8:28 pm

She let the truth slip out, how irresponsible. I'm not sure how she could of reframed the question, I imagine it would of been something along the lines of what Ruveyn said. "If only he gave into our demands, we wouldn't of had to kill those children" "We had to kill the children in order to save the children!"



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27 Dec 2011, 7:50 am

Jacoby, I have now decided that you are a troll. Good-bye.

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27 Dec 2011, 1:37 pm

No because anything an American leader does is justified. Next question?



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27 Dec 2011, 2:46 pm

WilliamWDelaney wrote:
Jacoby, I have now decided that you are a troll. Good-bye.

Troll: as in any participant who posts inflammatory material with the express intent of hindering legitimate discussion. Also considered to be a form of social parasite. Treated as adored pets by equally revolting gamer trash.


How is this a troll post? Surely this wouldn't be a "troll post" if it was about George Bush. How is this hindering legitimate discussion here?