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CaptainTrips222
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20 May 2012, 6:56 pm

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Although I very much support Green politics and its various national parties, I am rather turned off by the "new-age" aspects of the supporters.


No matter which "team" you join, it is always the case that a lot of the people in the team are there for "the wrong reasons". When political organisations try to restrict themselves to people who are there for "the right reasons", they become incestuous and irrelevant. Sad but true.

If you're a leftie, you have to socialise with conspiracy theorists. If you're worried about Islam, you have to socialise with racists. If you're a greenie, you have to socialise with hippies. If you're an atheist, you have to socialise with hipsters.


Brilliant. There are difficult, shallow people in every party and organization, and lots of 'em. Hard to find like minded people.

I don't know about the incestuous remark- what do you mean by that?



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20 May 2012, 8:06 pm

CaptainTrips222 wrote:
Declension wrote:
AstroGeek wrote:
Although I very much support Green politics and its various national parties, I am rather turned off by the "new-age" aspects of the supporters.


No matter which "team" you join, it is always the case that a lot of the people in the team are there for "the wrong reasons". When political organisations try to restrict themselves to people who are there for "the right reasons", they become incestuous and irrelevant. Sad but true.

If you're a leftie, you have to socialise with conspiracy theorists. If you're worried about Islam, you have to socialise with racists. If you're a greenie, you have to socialise with hippies. If you're an atheist, you have to socialise with hipsters.


Brilliant. There are difficult, shallow people in every party and organization, and lots of 'em. Hard to find like minded people.

I don't know about the incestuous remark- what do you mean by that?

I interpreted it to mean that they'd only hear the same old opinions. This is a recipe for stagnation of thought, which causes a party to become irrelevant. For example, look at the Socialist Labour Party in England. It seems to consist of Old Labour supporters and union members. As such it lives in the '70s and is incapable of responding to the challenges of the 21st century. For that reason it has become obsolete and been replaced by parties such as Respect and the Greens (although I'd say that Respect more exploits 21st century problems than offers solutions).



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20 May 2012, 9:39 pm

AstroGeek wrote:
CaptainTrips222 wrote:
Declension wrote:
AstroGeek wrote:
Although I very much support Green politics and its various national parties, I am rather turned off by the "new-age" aspects of the supporters.


No matter which "team" you join, it is always the case that a lot of the people in the team are there for "the wrong reasons". When political organisations try to restrict themselves to people who are there for "the right reasons", they become incestuous and irrelevant. Sad but true.

If you're a leftie, you have to socialise with conspiracy theorists. If you're worried about Islam, you have to socialise with racists. If you're a greenie, you have to socialise with hippies. If you're an atheist, you have to socialise with hipsters.


Brilliant. There are difficult, shallow people in every party and organization, and lots of 'em. Hard to find like minded people.

I don't know about the incestuous remark- what do you mean by that?

I interpreted it to mean that they'd only hear the same old opinions. This is a recipe for stagnation of thought, which causes a party to become irrelevant. For example, look at the Socialist Labour Party in England. It seems to consist of Old Labour supporters and union members. As such it lives in the '70s and is incapable of responding to the challenges of the 21st century. For that reason it has become obsolete and been replaced by parties such as Respect and the Greens (although I'd say that Respect more exploits 21st century problems than offers solutions).


Oh, okay. Homogenized people insulating themselves.



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21 May 2012, 8:42 am

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I've had the same problem, especially back in my college days. One class I took called Myth , Magic, And Ritual (which is just a jazzed up way to say Primitive Religions), where I was deemed the "class conservative," even though constantly was having to tell everyone that I was nothing of the sort. While in an Anthropology class, one guy who I had become friendly with, who was a self described conservative, had been surprised when I had told him I was a liberal. He had honestly thought I was conservative like him! It might have been because I have a tendency to walk ramrod straight, which had caused a friend in a history class to ask if I was former military. I am not.

Besides walking in goosestep formation, was there anything else that may seem to indicate to others, including conservatives themselves, that you are conservative? What about your style of dress? I've noticed young conservatives tend to either wear plaid (not like hipsters, though) or dress in suits or other formal attire with short-cropped hair. Their appearance and attitude are more "conventional" by far than needed for the situation, especially if young. What about taste in music, movies, and other entertainment?



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21 May 2012, 10:28 am

NeantHumain wrote:
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I've had the same problem, especially back in my college days. One class I took called Myth , Magic, And Ritual (which is just a jazzed up way to say Primitive Religions), where I was deemed the "class conservative," even though constantly was having to tell everyone that I was nothing of the sort. While in an Anthropology class, one guy who I had become friendly with, who was a self described conservative, had been surprised when I had told him I was a liberal. He had honestly thought I was conservative like him! It might have been because I have a tendency to walk ramrod straight, which had caused a friend in a history class to ask if I was former military. I am not.

Besides walking in goosestep formation, was there anything else that may seem to indicate to others, including conservatives themselves, that you are conservative? What about your style of dress? I've noticed young conservatives tend to either wear plaid (not like hipsters, though) or dress in suits or other formal attire with short-cropped hair. Their appearance and attitude are more "conventional" by far than needed for the situation, especially if young. What about taste in music, movies, and other entertainment?

I do think sometimes it's style of dress. I'm fairly modest in dress - though I wasn't quite as much when I was younger. Most definitely not formal, though, we're both casual dressers, and we buy our clothing on the cheap, t-shirts and jeans, etc. My SO wears his hair very short but more for health reasons than anything else. But in our case I think it's also the town we live in, which is small and widely known to be ultra-conservative or at least to have harbored an ultra-conservative and even racist mind set in the past. Whether one is liberal or conservative, one tends to assume that anyone else living here is conservative until one knows better. So it's more the setting than personal appearance.



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21 May 2012, 10:48 am

NeantHumain wrote:
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I've had the same problem, especially back in my college days. One class I took called Myth , Magic, And Ritual (which is just a jazzed up way to say Primitive Religions), where I was deemed the "class conservative," even though constantly was having to tell everyone that I was nothing of the sort. While in an Anthropology class, one guy who I had become friendly with, who was a self described conservative, had been surprised when I had told him I was a liberal. He had honestly thought I was conservative like him! It might have been because I have a tendency to walk ramrod straight, which had caused a friend in a history class to ask if I was former military. I am not.

Besides walking in goosestep formation, was there anything else that may seem to indicate to others, including conservatives themselves, that you are conservative? What about your style of dress? I've noticed young conservatives tend to either wear plaid (not like hipsters, though) or dress in suits or other formal attire with short-cropped hair. Their appearance and attitude are more "conventional" by far than needed for the situation, especially if young. What about taste in music, movies, and other entertainment?


I had admittedly cropped my hair fairly short back then, and have always dressed simply in tee shirt and jeans. Today, I shave my head (but because of hair loss, not because of a political statement), but I also wear a goatee, and wear ironically nerdy, black rimmed glasses.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer