Christo-fascists harass High School Student

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Dude, you seem to have a reading comprehension problem. I NEVER claimed that gay rights and abortion are non-issues--to a certain entrenched, zealous fringe, THEY MOST CERTAINLY ARE.

However, there is a vast middle in the south who are nominally religious BUT DON'T REALLY CARE MUCH ABOUT GAY RIGHTS OR ABORTION.

These moderate, nominally religious people could be allies to the left on economic issues.

However, they become needlessly alienated by issues like the one in this thread.

They don't see this as some important separation of church and state issue. Remember, we aren't talking compulsory prayer, religious ceremonies at school, or the like. We are talking about one person raising a giant stink over a banner that could easily be ignored.

These moderate, nominally religious people see this as a petty, mean-spirited, purposeful attack on their culture, their values, and their way of life. These people aren't interested in proselytizing, they simply want same the tolerance and respect they are expected to give to every other group.

These people have economic interests best served by the left, but they are pushed to the right or just pushed out of the political process because of intolerance.

source: http://blairrockefellerpoll.uark.edu/5370.php

Let me say this one last time...

The unmitigated, unreasonable, unrelenting hostility of atheist zealots toward even the MOST BENIGN expressions of religion in the public sphere is silly, unhelpful, and people on the left WHO ACTUALLY GIVE A DAMN ABOUT PROGRESS AND NOT USELESS POLITICAL GAMES, should discourage this behavior.

IN SUM:

Gay rights and abortion are right-wing BASE ISSUES that many moderates in the south are relatively INDIFFERENT TO.

Zealous atheism is a left-wing BASE ISSUE that alienates moderates in the south who lean left on other issues.

If the left could muster up a little bit of tolerance, they could make significant gains in the south.

PS

On a side note, I'd like to add...

Here's what I actually posted in reference to your original comment.


Where did I ever say that gay rights and abortion aren't issues among religious conservatives?

I ignored your name calling at the start of our exchange and the way you've repeatedly mischaracterized my statements from other threads (except to make a few jokes), but this has exhausted my patients.

Obviously, you are not interested in having an honest debate, in good faith. I'm done with this topic, this thread, and I'm done interacting with you.

my point is that Nietzsche wasnt antisemetic, and On the Jews and Their Lies(sorry for mistake earlier i was going off memory due to lack of time) was very influential on the Nazi's as far as im concerned Jews were just the scapegoat for Hitler to take power but he used that book a lot to get the people on his side, it was very popular in Nazi Germany

Wow, GoonSquad, thanks for this clear display of your mastery of de-escalation, diplomacy, tolerance, patient, and bridge-building you hammer in as necessary skills for the left.

Oh sure.


If it was just a harmless banner, then you wouldn't seen the xtian status quo getting so desperate as to send death threats to her nor would there have been such an effort to put the banner in the school in the first place.

Sending death threats is kinda losing the whole point about Christianity. I mean, in a case like this, those idiots sending the threats should stop and consider, what would Jesus do?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

I don't really spend much time discussing politics with religious conservatives, but I know abortion is important to conservative Catholics at least.

You see issues like the separation of Church and State, abortion as frivolous cultural issues that their respective activists should be silent on so that a coalition can be built around economic populism instead. Obviously they're pretty important to many and not some silly luxury. As an atheist, I find it deeply offensive that Christians are using public institutions to promote their religion and don't see the point of disregarding Constitutional principles to get a few more Southern Democratic votes. Gay couples don't really see things like gay marriage as frivolous issues either.

The South just happens to be out of step with the rest of the country on many things, and it really isn't acceptable that atheists and other religious minorities, gay people, and others should be treated as second-class citizens because of this. Also, it was right that liberals intervened in the South and forced desegregation even at the cost of Democratic votes. Principles matter.

I'll say this - I'm a Christian, and I agree with everything you said.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

NeantHumain wrote:

More like the rest of the country is out of step with the south.

Or more like the south is out of step with the outside world as a whole.

Do you guys even realize that other religions besides Christianity exist in the USA? Would you be a-okay with a Muslim banner displayed in a public school? Or would you whine your full head off and demand it's removal?

It isn’t like the south is a wilderness. Have you ever heard of Atlanta, Charlotte, Richmond, Orlando, Charleston, Nashville, etc….?
Damn near every race, nationality, and religion in the universe is in Dixie and I haven’t talked to any of them that feel any more disenfranchised than if they lived in NYC or Shitcago, or wherever. In fact there’s a synagogue just a few miles from here.
Get out of your shell and stop watching MSNBC or wherever you get these backward notions from.

Those southern cities you named are culturally more or less blue, and are more in step with the rest of the country than the rest of ol' Dixie.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

You didn't answer his question... if it was a Muslim banner would you defend it being there?

Spent much time in the south?

The South is America's vast, overextended butthole, stretched like goatse.cx from the Atlantic to Texas

#1: I don't have to answer any questions.
#2: Would I defend it being there? No.
But on the other hand I wouldn't object to it either. I don't see anything to object to unless I'm trying to make a name for myself and become a poster child for the ACLU.