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08 Nov 2006, 7:56 am

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... you might note that the majority of those in my list were charged with crimes related to racial violence.

Not as far as I can see. Just because the victim happens to belong to a "minority" that doesn't mean the "crime" was committed for that reason. You've padded out a few cases of apparently race-related offences with other stuff and spuriously claimed it proves the BNP is riddled with racists. I guess you copied it from some marxist anti-fascist site.

Like I said: you should present your argument against the policies of the BNP. Just claiming they are "racist" on the basis of that list, is about as useless as it would be for me to claim the Labour Party are a bunch of paedophiles on the basis of the reports in the list I quoted.

As for the BNPs manifesto, I don't really see it as particularly racist; lots of it is common sense. The racist are the liberal fascists of New Labour along with their ministry of anti-Britishness — The Commission for Racial Equality — who are overtly anti-white.



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08 Nov 2006, 8:07 am

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I asked the last question in the light of a story about a Dutch politician.
He is the leader of the Socialist worker party.
He lives 2 kilometres away from a mixed school.
Yet he sends his kids to an all white school 11 kilometres away.
All the while he is still preaching multiculturalism.

It's the same here. Truth of the matter is that no sane parent would send their kids to a school in some inner-city multiculti hell-hole if they had a choice. Many here, who can afford it, send them to private schools. And that's not racist, as quite a few of those parents who do this are respectable individuals from minority backgrounds who wish their kids to be given a well disciplined English education.



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08 Nov 2006, 8:35 am

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As for the BNPs manifesto, I don't really see it as particularly racist; lots of it is common sense. The racist are the liberal fascists of New Labour along with their ministry of anti-Britishness — The Commission for Racial Equality — who are overtly anti-white.


well i cant look at the bnp manifesto and argue this in depth with you, because their website doesn't work and its not the kind of thing i keep to hand in printed form. but as far as i am aware, one of their main policies is repatriation of all non-whites from britain initially on a voluntary basis. i would see that as being overtly racist. basically, people who are british citizens and were born a raised here will be forced to leave the country (because we both know that voluntary repatriation is BS, most of those people will not want to go, and the culture of britain under a bnp government would not make it comfortable to remain here, so they will in effect be forced out) for no other reason than the colour of their skin. you can't really argue that fostering a culture in which it is made clear to non-white people that they are not welcome here is not racist. if i am wrong, please enlighten me.


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08 Nov 2006, 8:39 am

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Bart21 wrote:
It's the same here. Truth of the matter is that no sane parent would send their kids to a school in some inner-city multiculti hell-hole if they had a choice. Many here, who can afford it, send them to private schools. And that's not racist, as quite a few of those parents who do this are respectable individuals from minority backgrounds who wish their kids to be given a well disciplined English education.


ok, so what exactly is it that you see as the problem? if parents from minority backgrounds are sending their kids to private schools, which are obviously mixed schools, how then is the inner city hellhole the result of multi culturalism? you dont think its more likely the result of poverty? you seem to be contradicting yourself.


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08 Nov 2006, 10:16 am

peebo wrote:
... because their website doesn't work...


I've never had a problem with it: http://www.bnp.org.uk/

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... but as far as i am aware, one of their main policies is repatriation of all non-whites from britain initially on a voluntary basis. i would see that as being overtly racist.


I believe they wish to provide financial help for those wishing to return home. Sounds good to me. I believe that applies to Eastern Europeans, too; they are, generally speaking, white. The bottom line is that this country's got too bloody crowded, and the huge influx of foreigners is irrevocably changing the nature of our society for the worse.

what's racist about that?

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ok, so what exactly is it that you see as the problem? if parents from minority backgrounds are sending their kids to private schools, which are obviously mixed schools, how then is the inner city hellhole the result of multi culturalism? you dont think its more likely the result of poverty? you seem to be contradicting yourself.


The private schools are run with regard for traditional British values, and with respect for our culture. The people who want their kids educated there are, naturally, those who wish to be British. They are not the freeloading riff-raff who want to import their third-world culture here, whilst living off benefits paid for by taxation. I don't really blame them for coming here, to be honest; it's the government's fault for letting them in, dishing-out free housing etc., providing them with a preferential position in the eyes of the law, and inculcating our kids with a poisonous hatred of everything British.



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08 Nov 2006, 6:25 pm

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I believe they wish to provide financial help for those wishing to return home. Sounds good to me. I believe that applies to Eastern Europeans, too; they are, generally speaking, white. The bottom line is that this country's got too bloody crowded, and the huge influx of foreigners is irrevocably changing the nature of our society for the worse.

what's racist about that?


i don't think that is exactly the case. until 2001 their proposed policy was forced reptriation of all non ethnically british peoples. their vision is an all white britain. sounds pretty racist to me.


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09 Nov 2006, 3:37 am

peebo wrote:
... their vision is an all white britain. sounds pretty racist to me.


BNP wrote:
While accepting the right of law-abiding minorities, in our country because they or their ancestors came here legally, to remain here and to enjoy the full protection of the law against any form of harassment or hostility...


I think your view of the situation is influenced by what was advanced by nationalists in the past, and what is perpetuated in the way of myth by the left and popular opinion.

Have a look at this, if you've got a minute; I'd be interested in knowing exactly what points you disagree with:

http://www.bnp.org.uk/candidates2005/manifesto/manf4.htm



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09 Nov 2006, 4:23 am

Whats going on here?

To me it seems this debate has long gone cold.


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