English Kids Learning to Speak English Properly
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Now was the purpose of the revival of Latin in the Renaissance to piss outsiders off?
We Brits can be very lazy when it comes to learning other languages, I don't know if the same can be say for the rest of the Anglosphere.
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This is just a little history lesson (just for fun). I was recently asked, by an African man, now living in Scotland, why the people in this area (Southern/Central Scotland) don't speak Gaelic and aren't particularly fussed about learning. The simple answer is that it has absolutely no connection to the area. Our ancestors, or at least the people who lived in this area before English arrived, did not speak Gaelic. Before the Anglo Saxons, the language spoke here was an old form of Welsh, the same language that was spoken by the people in the NW of England and Wales, at the time. Gaelic was spoken in the highlands and islands and is practically the same as Irish Gaelic (as it originated in Ireland). When Old English arrived, the Scots dialect developed, which is as close to Old English as you'll get today. We speak Scots here, which is unfortunately dying out, mixed with standard English. I do speak standard English too (just like a news reader).
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I don't know, but the use of minority languages can be used to exclude outsiders or to be difficult. It also brings in a lán airgid, go raibh maith agat for people who can speak these dead languages.
By the way, I think the refusal to learn new languages is common in places like Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the United States but not places like Malta, say.
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I don't know, but the use of minority languages can be used to exclude outsiders or to be difficult. It also brings in a lán airgid, go raibh maith agat for people who can speak these dead languages.
By the way, I think the refusal to learn new languages is common in places like Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the United States but not places like Malta, say.
True, with talking about dead languages in general do you see any point in learning Latin and Ancient Greek?
Should theses classical languages be school subjects?
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Sure. I just don't think that languages that are rarely spoken should be imposed upon people.
Those people who wish to learn Latin, Ancient Greek, Scots Gaelic (as is already said, this is a minority language even within Scotland and is mainly confined to the Outer Hebrides and other similarly remote parts of the country - the rate of native speakers is about 1% in Scotland) or whatever else should be encouraged to learn it. I just don't think that it should be forced on the rest of us.
As long as they are strictly optional, probably at a much higher level.
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I don't know, but the use of minority languages can be used to exclude outsiders or to be difficult. It also brings in a lán airgid, go raibh maith agat for people who can speak these dead languages.
By the way, I think the refusal to learn new languages is common in places like Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the United States but not places like Malta, say.
True, with talking about dead languages in general do you see any point in learning Latin and Ancient Greek?
Should theses classical languages be school subjects?
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I started to teach myself Latin as I hear of alot of reasons why the language can help in other areas of learning, tho I had to put it on hold to moving house. With language its the an interest then it makes it easier to learn. When I was made to learn French in school I didn't enjoy it.
However when I choice to learn at college Spanish & Italian I loved it, I even learn a bit Welsh from my Italian tutor as she was a fluent speaker like my father & his family are. Tho an Italian friend of mine, a fluent speaker of six languages pointed out to me that it helps to learn other languages early in your like in your childhood.
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