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30 Mar 2012, 9:55 pm

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Hardly ever does one hear that one of the reasons could very well be that diagnosis of much higher functioning forms of Autism than in the past are also very likely to be a reason the numbers are rising.


Not true. I watched Good Morning America, and the psychologist/statistician that they interviewed corrected the interviewer on his statement of, "Wow, that's not good..." by saying, "Well, we're better and spotting it, and teachers recognize it, and we're finding milder forms." He never specifically said "Asperger's" but he did say milder forms. It's a start, and I'll take it. Thank you, random statistician psychologist man.


He said hardly, not an absolute statement. So providing one answer does not disprove what he said.


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30 Mar 2012, 10:34 pm

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Hardly ever does one hear that one of the reasons could very well be that diagnosis of much higher functioning forms of Autism than in the past are also very likely to be a reason the numbers are rising.


Not true. I watched Good Morning America, and the psychologist/statistician that they interviewed corrected the interviewer on his statement of, "Wow, that's not good..." by saying, "Well, we're better and spotting it, and teachers recognize it, and we're finding milder forms." He never specifically said "Asperger's" but he did say milder forms. It's a start, and I'll take it. Thank you, random statistician psychologist man.


He said hardly, not an absolute statement. So providing one answer does not disprove what he said.


Perhaps "not true" was too broad a statement. "Not entirely true" is a little better. I've heard people say that if you ask them, "Is every one of them severe?" but people don't ask that question. We should plant people in those little meetings so they can ask that question. :P

I was very glad to see the statistician/psych correct whoever it was on GMA. That means a lot of people had to have heard it, and it will be on the internet.



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31 Mar 2012, 12:47 am

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Yes, 1 in 88 children have autism. There is also a broad autistic spectrum and a trigger happy doctor excited to diagnose a new condition like Asperger's. Hell, they throw Ritalin at people with attention problems not related to ADHD. Since I was 9 years old the world population has increased by 4 billion. With all the knowledge we have on autism now we could fill up all the 7 Harry Potter books. And lastly kids that were getting overlooked are now getting diagnosed. IT'S NOT AN EPIDEMIC! IT'S NOT BECAUSE THERE IS MERCURY IN VACCINES! Vaccine damages do happen but it's not actual autism (why do kids get only severe autism from vaccines and not the higher functioning form?) - just like attention problems may not actually be ADHD. Kids with vaccine damage show the best sign of recovery. The autistic brain is far too complex to just be a cause of toxicity in the environment. It is an atypically developing brain with over 200 affected genes that go toward its development. I'm not saying it's a good thing or bad thing. I'm just here to tell people to calm down. Autism has been there from the start and the more we learn about it and the more the population increases the higher the numbers will get.


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I'm still not convinced that ppl with aspergers aren't just ppl who've been 'given' a disease by a system that seeks to create elitism and programs those who are not part of the elite to act in a certain way so that others can stay away from them.

Not long ago I would have fit the mold as a recluse... but the more I think about it, the more I realize that I was a recluse because what I knew didn't fit what others know and what other's know is more a convention of knowing each other. I on the other hand had some traumas I never dealt with and got left out of all the reindeer games and never learned the conventions. They are pretty easy to recognize now as time goes on.

Or it's programming from disapproving mothers who want to make you fail.


If you seriously think that then why are you here? Why be diagnosed at all?

I'm diagnosed because I have symptoms that severely affect my everyday functioning from problems communicating with people, to self-care, to executive dysfunction to repetitive behaviour that when I break I find it very hard to do anything.
I can barely function in public and that is why I have been diagnosed.

Edit: My brain is f***ed today. Sooo many typos.


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31 Mar 2012, 11:46 am

Were taking over muahahahahhaha :twisted:


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31 Mar 2012, 1:58 pm

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its this story about earths frequencys raising creating new kinds of people its all over the internet you could look it up


that is not how evolution works.

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Actually... it is exactly how evolution works... although the things that are selecting the traits are man made, the process is the same.


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31 Mar 2012, 3:42 pm

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One good thing that comes from so much media attention is that at least people are asking a lot more questions, instead of ignoring Autism as "not my problem."

I do have some problems with the way it's being reported for the most part though.

http://sanjayguptamd.blogs.cnn.com/2012 ... as-autism/

Notice in this and many other reports that they talk a lot about the sudden rise, concerns about what really causes Autism and whatnot, and even that "We're paying more attention to it" as being another reason for the sudden rise (IOW: It's being diagnosed more, and not being missed as much), but...

Hardly ever does one hear that one of the reasons could very well be that diagnosis of much higher functioning forms of Autism than in the past are also very likely to be a reason the numbers are rising. Thus, I do think a lot of news watchers and readers see reports like this, and think only of lower functioning Autism, as if 1 in 88 has full blown Classic Autism, which is clearly not true. This, I believe, contributes to a kind of mass hysteria the likes of which videos and articles from Autism Speaks frequently help to create.

It's not an accurate picture, and the media and medical professions both, in general, are not doing enough to educate the public.

The public should know that Autistics who can function on their own to a great extent is one very important reason these numbers are rising. That it is not a scourge, not the impending end of the world, nor the impending end of normalcy.

NO! It isn't as bad as the picture the media allows to exist in people's minds, but it is worthy of attention. I just wish the attention it did get, painted the complete picture instead of letting the public conjure pictures of their own that are not accurate at all.


Part of the criticism of the numbers by the CDC is that they only measure 8 year olds receiving services for the developmentally disabled in the school system in their methodology. The CDC isn't measuring any highfunctioning autistic individuals that function well on their own with their current methodology.

Three years from now when the CDC does their next study it will likely be based on numbers from 2012, as this study was based on numbers from 2009, and the previous study done in 2009 was based on numbers in the school system from 2006.

The numbers in the current study from Alabama were 1 in 200, which suggest that awareness and diagnosis, definitely is what makes all the difference in the world, in the statistical analysis.



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31 Mar 2012, 4:54 pm

Hmmm, autism on the rise? Well, I guess the more the merrier.


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31 Mar 2012, 6:57 pm

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Yes, 1 in 88 children have autism. There is also a broad autistic spectrum and a trigger happy doctor excited to diagnose a new condition like Asperger's. Hell, they throw Ritalin at people with attention problems not related to ADHD. Since I was 9 years old the world population has increased by 4 billion. With all the knowledge we have on autism now we could fill up all the 7 Harry Potter books. And lastly kids that were getting overlooked are now getting diagnosed. IT'S NOT AN EPIDEMIC! IT'S NOT BECAUSE THERE IS MERCURY IN VACCINES! Vaccine damages do happen but it's not actual autism (why do kids get only severe autism from vaccines and not the higher functioning form?) - just like attention problems may not actually be ADHD. Kids with vaccine damage show the best sign of recovery. The autistic brain is far too complex to just be a cause of toxicity in the environment. It is an atypically developing brain with over 200 affected genes that go toward its development. I'm not saying it's a good thing or bad thing. I'm just here to tell people to calm down. Autism has been there from the start and the more we learn about it and the more the population increases the higher the numbers will get.


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I'm still not convinced that ppl with aspergers aren't just ppl who've been 'given' a disease by a system that seeks to create elitism and programs those who are not part of the elite to act in a certain way so that others can stay away from them.

Not long ago I would have fit the mold as a recluse... but the more I think about it, the more I realize that I was a recluse because what I knew didn't fit what others know and what other's know is more a convention of knowing each other. I on the other hand had some traumas I never dealt with and got left out of all the reindeer games and never learned the conventions. They are pretty easy to recognize now as time goes on.

Or it's programming from disapproving mothers who want to make you fail.


If you seriously think that then why are you here? Why be diagnosed at all?

I'm diagnosed because I have symptoms that severely affect my everyday functioning from problems communicating with people, to self-care, to executive dysfunction to repetitive behaviour that when I break I find it very hard to do anything.
I can barely function in public and that is why I have been diagnosed.

Edit: My brain is f***ed today. Sooo many typos.


Well I had alot of that too until I understood what I just described. Maybe not as bad as you... But I had alot of social anxiety which I no longer have... Though I still have old habits that are hard to break. I also spent my life mirroring much of what the world around me was doing and repeated what worked for other people and it never worked for me. Then I realized there was another meaning behind what was working for others that didn't work me and because I didn't understand that cuz no one told me how do it, I couldn't do what they were doing. Why is it that they only teach other people how to exist with aspies? Wouldn't it be much simpler to teach aspies how to understand NTs? It would cost alot less. Have you seen the subject matter? I assure you there is enough complexity in 'NT' thought to warrant a new obsession.



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31 Mar 2012, 7:02 pm

pensieve wrote:
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Yes, 1 in 88 children have autism. There is also a broad autistic spectrum and a trigger happy doctor excited to diagnose a new condition like Asperger's. Hell, they throw Ritalin at people with attention problems not related to ADHD. Since I was 9 years old the world population has increased by 4 billion. With all the knowledge we have on autism now we could fill up all the 7 Harry Potter books. And lastly kids that were getting overlooked are now getting diagnosed. IT'S NOT AN EPIDEMIC! IT'S NOT BECAUSE THERE IS MERCURY IN VACCINES! Vaccine damages do happen but it's not actual autism (why do kids get only severe autism from vaccines and not the higher functioning form?) - just like attention problems may not actually be ADHD. Kids with vaccine damage show the best sign of recovery. The autistic brain is far too complex to just be a cause of toxicity in the environment. It is an atypically developing brain with over 200 affected genes that go toward its development. I'm not saying it's a good thing or bad thing. I'm just here to tell people to calm down. Autism has been there from the start and the more we learn about it and the more the population increases the higher the numbers will get.


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I'm still not convinced that ppl with aspergers aren't just ppl who've been 'given' a disease by a system that seeks to create elitism and programs those who are not part of the elite to act in a certain way so that others can stay away from them.

Not long ago I would have fit the mold as a recluse... but the more I think about it, the more I realize that I was a recluse because what I knew didn't fit what others know and what other's know is more a convention of knowing each other. I on the other hand had some traumas I never dealt with and got left out of all the reindeer games and never learned the conventions. They are pretty easy to recognize now as time goes on.

Or it's programming from disapproving mothers who want to make you fail.


If you seriously think that then why are you here? Why be diagnosed at all?

I'm diagnosed because I have symptoms that severely affect my everyday functioning from problems communicating with people, to self-care, to executive dysfunction to repetitive behaviour that when I break I find it very hard to do anything.
I can barely function in public and that is why I have been diagnosed.

Edit: My brain is f***ed today. Sooo many typos.


Well I also never actually got a diagnosis... had state insurance for a while until I got a job and my we were to discuss an aspergers test I took online at my next appointment. So long story short... I'm not officially diagnosed. I just figured I would be. I still however find that I have much in common with even the most reclusive of aspies and that we make good friends. There are definite similarities in patterns of thought. I just trace my "symptoms" to a complex series of events that can't as easily be seen by 35 minutes of therapy.



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01 Apr 2012, 5:10 am

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Yes, 1 in 88 children have autism. There is also a broad autistic spectrum and a trigger happy doctor excited to diagnose a new condition like Asperger's. Hell, they throw Ritalin at people with attention problems not related to ADHD. Since I was 9 years old the world population has increased by 4 billion. With all the knowledge we have on autism now we could fill up all the 7 Harry Potter books. And lastly kids that were getting overlooked are now getting diagnosed. IT'S NOT AN EPIDEMIC! IT'S NOT BECAUSE THERE IS MERCURY IN VACCINES! Vaccine damages do happen but it's not actual autism (why do kids get only severe autism from vaccines and not the higher functioning form?) - just like attention problems may not actually be ADHD. Kids with vaccine damage show the best sign of recovery. The autistic brain is far too complex to just be a cause of toxicity in the environment. It is an atypically developing brain with over 200 affected genes that go toward its development. I'm not saying it's a good thing or bad thing. I'm just here to tell people to calm down. Autism has been there from the start and the more we learn about it and the more the population increases the higher the numbers will get.
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Two of my nephews are already receiving help at ages 3 and 7. My sister receives disability payments for the older one and he is receiving 1:1 help in the classroom. The youngest is just a bit slow to speak clearly do is having speech therapy.

The odd thing is that my sister doesn't even know what the diagnosis of the 7 year old is. She has vaguely mentioned dispraxia. All she is able to say for sure is that there are some behavioural problems at home and he walks on tiptoes. He seems relatively normal to me and I've observed him. The school he is in has a lot of kids receiving extra help. They get funding for extra staff.

How many of this new 1 in 88 will evaporate by age 12?

Jason.



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01 Apr 2012, 5:59 am

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Two of my nephews are already receiving help at ages 3 and 7. My sister receives disability payments for the older one and he is receiving 1:1 help in the classroom. The youngest is just a bit slow to speak clearly do is having speech therapy.

The odd thing is that my sister doesn't even know what the diagnosis of the 7 year old is. She has vaguely mentioned dispraxia. All she is able to say for sure is that there are some behavioural problems at home and he walks on tiptoes. He seems relatively normal to me and I've observed him. The school he is in has a lot of kids receiving extra help. They get funding for extra staff.

How many of this new 1 in 88 will evaporate by age 12?

Jason.


I wonder sometimes when people judge someone as normal, if they fail to take into consideration the effect of early intervention and behavioral therapy?


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01 Apr 2012, 1:28 pm

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Two of my nephews are already receiving help at ages 3 and 7. My sister receives disability payments for the older one and he is receiving 1:1 help in the classroom. The youngest is just a bit slow to speak clearly do is having speech therapy.

The odd thing is that my sister doesn't even know what the diagnosis of the 7 year old is. She has vaguely mentioned dispraxia. All she is able to say for sure is that there are some behavioural problems at home and he walks on tiptoes. He seems relatively normal to me and I've observed him. The school he is in has a lot of kids receiving extra help. They get funding for extra staff.

How many of this new 1 in 88 will evaporate by age 12?

Jason.


I wonder sometimes when people judge someone as normal, if they fail to take into consideration the effect of early intervention and behavioral therapy?


A very good point, until there is a reliable test for all these disorders we will never know.

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08 Apr 2012, 8:24 pm

Two thumbs up for X-Men. I use them a lot to explain autism politics to people and X2 has served me very well as an allegory in the past.
As for 1 in 88 -a whole lot for fear mongering and +a ton because wheee more people like me!



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14 Apr 2012, 3:43 am

Ah, lies, damned lies and statistics. The CDC report looks fine, they're doing their job, but of course nobody is going to quote that whole report, or even its abstract. They quote an attention-grabbing headline, which is misleading. Firstly, the report says that 1 in 88 have ASD, not "autism" (which most people would interpret as "classic autism"). Secondly, the report says

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Because the ADDM Network sites do not make up a nationally representative sample, these combined prevalence estimates should not be generalized to the United States as a whole


... and of course everyone just ignores that and generalizes the estimates. Sometimes I think scientists should just not release numbers to people who don't think scientifically. I know it "promotes awareness" and all that and I suppose that's a good thing, but it promotes misinformation, too.



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DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
Two thumbs up for X-Men. I use them a lot to explain autism politics to people and X2 has served me very well as an allegory in the past.
As for 1 in 88 -a whole lot for fear mongering and +a ton because wheee more people like me!


I also find that X-Men is a great way to explain that being different isn't a disease and that with the right kind of help we can go far