Another Obama Attack on the Second Amendment!

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15 Apr 2012, 8:08 pm

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Yes, of course! Wouldn't it it wonderfull if only criminals and the goverment had guns? Then all of our problems would be solved!
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This is you having your truth issues again. Were you raised to lie? Is that what your parents were like? Nurture comes down to luck of the draw.

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Criminals killing other criminals is a solution within the problem. But it seems that in your mind you'd rather save them and not worry too much about the innocent law abiding.....


You missed the point. Not my problem.

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This isn't SA we're talking about.


It's what I'm talking about. It's an example to illustrate a point. If you can't understand it I'm sure someone can draw you some pictures with crayons.

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The "white population"? So you're saying all the white people are having to be armed because all the black people are criminals? Sure looks like that's what you're saying..... :shameonyou:


Some white farmers do believe they are being targeted because of historical problems in SA. But black on black crime is also bad. The reason I mentioned white is that they historically owned the guns and still have that legacy despite increasing controls. The criminals assume they are armed. I realize the subject likely confused you and you felt compelled to make some kind of racist comment. You go to what you know.

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The invadee let his guard down if it got that far.


The reality of violent action is different from your fantasies.

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And, no, I do not and will not feel responsible for what anyone does with guns stolen from me. If they are in my locked home or vehicle then it takes a criminal act to obtain them, let alone what they do with them next.


I would never consider you to be responsible for anything. That you don't wear a helmet as you amble about is admirable.

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They have a better chance being armed than not. There are some car accidents where seatbelts won't do you a damn bit of good but they give you a better chance in most cases. Many times ambushes can be completely avoided by being alert. The pistol and the knowhow to use it is for when being alert in itself isn't good enough.


So you say. You have to account for the gun being used against them, suicide, accidents, etc. I think most people are just gaining false confidence from it as the attacker does have an advantage. But I think it's also true that it may be an advantage to be a gun owner, in some situations, in a society where gun ownership is not universal. Once universal, or assumed to be, criminals will adapt and it will have less utility. People are smart.

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Bad as you claim things to be in South Africa with an armed populace, how bad would it be when only the crimials are armed?
Well, it sure as hell couldn't be any better....
You seem to think that laying down and being a victim is preferable to fighting back. I couldn't even come close to embracing that mindset. Hell, I'd rathter be dead. :x


My examples were meant to illustrate that "an armed society is a polite society" hasnt worked elsewhere. If a society is predisposed to high crime, you'll get high crime. But you seem predisposed to fail to understand anything. The Why will remain a mystery.

As for your belief that I'd lay down. lol. You obviously don't know me.


Getting a bit testy with those first few comebacks are we?

Your only point, if anyone can call it that, is your belief that gunz-r-bad.
Your facts are along the same lines as what the Brady Campaign spews and they do nothing, in effect, but their best to enable violent crime.
You have no answers to a serious problem but you keep harping on it anyway.



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15 Apr 2012, 8:11 pm

Would you guys be up for settling this in an old-fashioned duel?



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17 Apr 2012, 10:16 am

Here is a list of countries by firearm-related death rates

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... death_rate

South Africa is way on top. Congratulations.

We're even behind Mexico. What's wrong with us? At least we beat the Philippines.

And, look at the bottom. Practically no deaths in Japan, South Korea and Chile. What a bunch of wussies! People in those countries probably can't even shoot straight.



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17 Apr 2012, 8:39 pm

They have a lot of problems in SA with illegal guns too and some suspect that corrupt police units are selling weapons as well.

Mexico is a good example of criminals not fearing guns when they expect them. They are routinely going to the homes of law enforcement and taking them out. LEO is armed. But the cartels know they are armed and adjust their tactics to get them. Similar to the home invasions of SA. Even professionals have a hard time dealing with an ambush. If a criminal doesnt expect you to have a gun, and you do, you might be better off than if he suspects you have one from the start.



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19 Apr 2012, 5:09 am

Why does anyone care about the Constitution? It's just words. They don't mean anything. Obviously, we have shown this again and again and again throughout history. I wish the Constitution would be burned.

I'm not trying to start a fight, this is just what I truly believe.



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19 Apr 2012, 6:01 am

heavenlyabyss wrote:
Why does anyone care about the Constitution? It's just words. They don't mean anything. Obviously, we have shown this again and again and again throughout history. I wish the Constitution would be burned.

I'm not trying to start a fight, this is just what I truly believe.


The Constitution is the Law of the Land (United States). Are you against having laws? After all they are only words.

Perhaps you would like to find out what a place without laws is like. Visit Somalia.

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19 Apr 2012, 8:01 am

And, if the constitution of the United States states that the right to bear arms and ordnance shall suffer no abridgement, then, by the cold, dead hand of Moses himself, there shall be no abridgement, ever, under any conditions whatsoever.

Prohibiting children from bringing arms to school represents a foul abridgement, and will only lead us down the slippery slope to totalitarian socialism!



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20 Apr 2012, 4:17 pm

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10 May 2012, 2:25 pm

Well, look at this

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2 ... 011/52162/

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According to Germany's Der Spiegel, German police shot only 85 bullets in all of 2011, a stark reminder that not every country is as gun-crazy as the U.S. of A. As Boing Boing translates, most of those shots weren't even aimed anyone: "49 warning shots, 36 shots on suspects. 15 persons were injured, 6 were killed."

Technically, about 9,000 more shots were fired at sick and dangerous animals. (Germany, why do you kill your animals?) But since we couldn't watch the end of Old Yeller, we'll look the other way on those humanitarian shootings.

Meanwhile, in the U.S., where the population is little less than four times the size of Germany's, well, we can get to 85 in just one sitting, thank you very much. 84 shots fired at one murder suspect in Harlem, another 90 shot at one fleeing unarmed man in Los Angeles. And that was just April. So we bring you Germany's shot total in case you forgot about America shoots itself in the foot with its manic love of guns.


German police are such wussies compared to their American counterparts. :shameonyou: