A possible last resort, if I am forced onto Workfare

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02 May 2012, 2:11 pm

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You know what? Maybe working isn't so bad. It doesn't take too much to change someone's perspective. It's all a matter of the mind. You wanna live where you live? You want to save for your future and possibly your family's future? Well then you better get a job. It can be fun. It's fun to share a collective pain. This is life.

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I would be fascinated to know how you have saved for yours and your family's future at the age of 22. On a post I replied to above about ATOS and the Work Programme (Workfare), it mentions various disabled people's deaths before they even started Workfare, maybe you should tell them (Link to Benefits and Work) it is "all a matter of the mind and It's fun to share a collective pain because 'This is Life'". Also, on £64 per week ESA, which is what Workfare involves instead of giving you even the minimum wage, I think you'll find it really difficult to pay even an average rent before luxuries like 'food and transport'. Do the Maths yourself or get an adult to do it for you.

I have worked full-time or part-time for 24 out of 25 years until I had a full-scale breakdown. I am now entitled to a basic pension but I don't know if it was worth the illness I suffered. And all of us are now being told that we now have to put extra into the pension, because the basic pension isn't enough. The goal posts keep changing and the pensions that people have are getting raided in the latest budget and as they were in 2007/8 (Gordon Brown).

I have in fact supported another adult when I was working, when he was illegally denied sickness benefit for years. I had my first job when I was 14.

You obviously don't believe that people can have illness, breakdown or sensory problems related to autism and possibly the only way you can be jolted into the reality which most people are in is if you experience a breakdown yourself. Over 30 years I have seen a lot of people much more complacent than yourself crack very fast when reality sets in i.e. an illegal eviction or a redundancy with no warning, especially both at once.

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I can confirm that. I also had a nervous breakdown after 15 years of full-time work, and my social anxiety became so bad afterwards that working simply wasn't an option anymore. I was almost unable to leave my apartment for several years. I'm in early retirement now, and if I ever had to work again (which will luckily not be the case) I'd also have to drug up :?



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02 May 2012, 4:06 pm

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any legally available chemical/pill which will make a person more alert, process information and move/work faster, also most importantly, react quickly and aggressively (obviously nothing illegal or drastic such as the Evan Harris/Dylan Cleybold response)

Off the top of my head I would say "amphetamine," but it depends. If your natural fight-or-flight reaction is more toward "flight" (anxiety) then it could make things worse. And it might or might not allow you to process information faster (I've been on a lot of meds over the years and none of them helped with that, but I may have unique problems there). And there are also all the usual problems with stimulants (it seemed to make me more OCDish than I usually am).


Apologies for late reply but I just couldn't manage to get posts onto the forum so my friend is doing it for me now.

Amphetamines are illegal in Britain (and it hasn't changed as far as I know). Yes my tendency is towards flight, precisely why I wanted something to change that. Stimulants do create problems, I know, which is precisely why I have described this as a last resort i.e. I hope I never have to do this. Is there any kind of hypnotherapy or hypnosis or any other kind of treatment which will change a personality and can I get proof of their success (if any) from anywhere because there are so many rip off merchants using people who are desperate.

I would prefer not to take pills at all, but if it has to be, then I would rather it is something that acts quickly and can hopefully be flushed out of my system quite soon (insomnia problem).

Thank you for the info

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Concentration meditation is a good starting point for non-medicine treatments. Basically you would develop your concentration by meditating on an object-- every time your mind wanders off of the object (can be a candle, the breath, a mantra, etc.) just redirect it back to the object gently, noting at the same time "thoughts". Five to ten minutes a day will produce positive results. When I started this practice I could not focus on anything for more than a few seconds (I have ADHD, unmedicated). After doing this meditation for a few weeks I could concentrate for 15-20 minutes on one thing. Good luck! :)



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02 May 2012, 4:52 pm

first line of defense: make certain you are not deficient on anything that might impact your stamina, esp Taurine, B, C and D vitamins and Magnesium.

Make certain you make time to unwind -- meditation while listening to music designed to induce Theta or Delta waves helps me greatly. I would also highly recommend Tai Chi/qigong or Yoga.

To help ensure sufficient sleep, I swear by Valerian root and Melatonin, and listen to Delta music on headphones all night long. Bedtime is also a good time to take your Magnesium.

To stay alert during the day, I like to listen to music designed to induce Beta waves, sometimes with some Gamma thrown in. For indigestible stimulants, I favor Green tea (caffeine with natural Theanine), Yerba Mate and Gaurana.

your mileage may vary



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02 May 2012, 4:54 pm

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I believe the reason that I have not been invited to take part on a workfare scheme is that I do voluntary work. Could that be a better solution for you than medication?


I'm on it too and do voluntary work.


May be my invite was lost in the post. :(


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11 May 2012, 5:26 am

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8O It is really that bad? I have the same issues too, thanks God i don't have insomnia. Maybe you have had some traumas in the past?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_po ... s_disorder

Working in a harmful environment with pills doesn't sound 'right' to me. Sorry for my english


To AnotherKind,

This is a post I put on another forum, but parts of it maybe relevant. I don't have insomnia at the moment and don't want to have it, and a toxic environment causes it even more than uppers. I don't quite see how you can diagnose traumas in my past from one or two posts on a forum. I appreciate your concern, but I would go to a professional mental health person about that rather than Wikipedia. Also, nobody suggested 'past traumas' when I did have my major breakdown.

I don't access e-mails that often or post things often because I am no good at computers and need a lot of help, so please be patient as there may be delays with me in replying.

I know that taking a pill won't change my character, I was trying to project a different image, or persona. The toxic situation that you talk about is the one that I was in about 11 years ago, when I had a major breakdown. The circumstances, and also my health history/work history past and present are too complicated to go into but the only kind of work places I was placed in were ones which were like that and I have no idea if it is any better now. Obviously, I hope it is, which is why I described it as a possible last resort, in other words, I hope it never comes up and I never have to do this, but I know it is best to have some knowledge relevant to the worst possible scenario rather than ending up in it with no warning or help.

The nature of Workfare or the Work Programme is that you get put onto MWA, Mandatory Work Activity, but there has been so much bad publicity for the Work Programme, especially the A for E scandal/investigation which is still ongoing, that the implementation will be delayed at least. Also, the family services advocate in the local autism group, does now have some experience of accompanying people to the initial assessment and explaining the situation. Also, you can get your interviews recorded and you are entitled to do so, which is always a good idea with anything involving the DWP.

At the time, I put my original post on this and other forums, it looked a lot more likely that everyone was going to be forced onto it quite soon, but things have been changing and are still changing since then, which buys everyone more time.

When your benefit is cut off, you have no option to go wherever you are placed / can find paid work and really doesn't matter what your health problems are because no one notices until you crack-up big time. The main thing I was trying to avoid if the situation happened again was to come across as weak because the pack close in on you in feral places like the kind of work places you get dumped in when you are desperate and have no option. I hope you (and I) are never in a situation like that because I know it sounds unreal, but you actually have to go through something like that in order to see.

Thanks for being concerned for my health and well-being but the DWP isn't.

All the best
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11 May 2012, 11:05 am

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You know what? Maybe working isn't so bad. It doesn't take too much to change someone's perspective. It's all a matter of the mind. You wanna live where you live? You want to save for your future and possibly your family's future? Well then you better get a job. It can be fun. It's fun to share a collective pain. This is life.

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I have hated every job I have ever had with a vengeance so don't tell me that jobs can be fun!



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11 May 2012, 11:36 am

I'll advise against Risperidone in any way. I know of no situation which could be made better with that.
It's horrible. I've used it for years, it made my memory awful and it took months for some of the withdrawal symptoms to disappear.

Heard similar stories from others who used it. One said he had photographic memory before he started using it, and one said it's more tiring than weed.



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11 May 2012, 11:47 am

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I have hated every job I have ever had with a vengeance so don't tell me that jobs can be fun!


I feel the same way. If something were to ever happen to my mother and she couldn't leave me anything I'll probably end up homeless and have nothing because I can't stand working, not that anyone would hire me even if I tried.



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11 May 2012, 11:55 am

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A possible last resort, if I am forced onto Workfare


Do not advise me on any alleged ‘help for disabled/autistic/mental health’ people into work or in the workplace...I have tried it all and it is irrelevant and useless to me in particular.
Does anyone who is autistic/asperger have any knowledge, preferably personal experience, of any legally available chemical/pill which will make a person more alert, process information and move/work faster, also most importantly, react quickly and aggressively (obviously nothing illegal or drastic such as the Evan Harris/Dylan Cleybold response). Assertiveness training I’ve done, but I have no idea if it will work in the work place among lots of people when I am also subject to noise, fluorescent lighting etc, lots of distractions which will push up my anxiety levels. From experience, I must not come over as weak or frightened and easily intimidated, I must react more quickly and strongly.
Please no replies from people worried about drug reactions, I am already on SSRIs and have researched thoroughly any possible effects, short or long-term and there is no way that any reaction I have can be worse than the breakdown I had years ago, but this time I would like to be outwardly hostile if need be and react quickly to a situation, especially involving working and trying to interact with people at the same time.

I haven't but if you find one, let me know what it is so I can take it, too.



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11 May 2012, 12:09 pm

hanyo wrote:
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I have hated every job I have ever had with a vengeance so don't tell me that jobs can be fun!


I feel the same way. If something were to ever happen to my mother and she couldn't leave me anything I'll probably end up homeless and have nothing because I can't stand working, not that anyone would hire me even if I tried.


I am a bit confused when it comes to joining the workforce again. I would very much like to earn my own money and be independent and self sufficient, but I have been working for more than 20 years and all of the crappy jobs I had made me very ill in the end. I can deal with the aspergers but getting very depressed and burned out because of certain work environments is a totally different matter. Things got so bad that I had to be put on incapacity benefit because I couldn't funtion anymore. I'm still dealing with the afthermath of that period in my life and I probably have to take anti depressants for the rest of my life.

However, I still hope that I can find a nice job that suits my personality and interests but the chances of ever getting a job like that are getting slimmer by the day because I'm not getting any younger. The present economical situation doesn't help either. The only thing I can do is to school myself as much as I possibly to accomplish a career change.



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18 May 2012, 4:00 am

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I'll advise against Risperidone in any way. I know of no situation which could be made better with that.
It's horrible. I've used it for years, it made my memory awful and it took months for some of the withdrawal symptoms to disappear.

Heard similar stories from others who used it. One said he had photographic memory before he started using it, and one said it's more tiring than weed.


I would rather not take any kind of pills at all, but it doesn't seem to be an option anymore. I really really hope it doesn't come to the point where I do get forced into a situation such as the one I have described, by last resort, I mean hopefully not having to at all, but having the knowledge just in case the worst case scenario happens. I also don't want to get poisoned by chemicals, not least because I am the one who will have to live with it.

Thanks for being concerned for my health, but government agencies don't seem to be.

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18 May 2012, 4:06 am

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hanyo wrote:
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I have hated every job I have ever had with a vengeance so don't tell me that jobs can be fun!


I feel the same way. If something were to ever happen to my mother and she couldn't leave me anything I'll probably end up homeless and have nothing because I can't stand working, not that anyone would hire me even if I tried.


I am a bit confused when it comes to joining the workforce again. I would very much like to earn my own money and be independent and self sufficient, but I have been working for more than 20 years and all of the crappy jobs I had made me very ill in the end. I can deal with the aspergers but getting very depressed and burned out because of certain work environments is a totally different matter. Things got so bad that I had to be put on incapacity benefit because I couldn't funtion anymore. I'm still dealing with the afthermath of that period in my life and I probably have to take anti depressants for the rest of my life.

However, I still hope that I can find a nice job that suits my personality and interests but the chances of ever getting a job like that are getting slimmer by the day because I'm not getting any younger. The present economical situation doesn't help either. The only thing I can do is to school myself as much as I possibly to accomplish a career change.


The above post seems to be basically what happened to me and I cracked up at age 38/39 and had a relapse or two after. Also, my systems seemed to be changed in some way and I simply don't have the ability to tolerate and endure things, especially a lot of people around me talking and forcing interaction on me. I literally can't cope with it, my ability to cope and put with this seems permanently gone and I can't make it go back. Psycho-babble certainly doesn't work, so I would need chemicals or some treatment which would actually work, if such actually exists. Of course what I would like is a job where I can just get on with things at my own speed and not have to deal with people, but there is no such place. Recently, some really nice people gave me some paid gardening work but there aren't enough people and hours to go around for everyone and when I recently got offered a upholstering job at 15 hours a week, there was no public transport and no help from the so called 'employment or disability people', what a surprise! I am 50+ now.

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18 May 2012, 5:26 am

My adviser had a right go at me on Wednesday, because I told her I have Autism. Apparently, I should have told her sooner. :roll: I was diagnosed on Thursday.

Really fed up now - they don't understand disability at all and make everything out to be my fault. Yes, because it's my fault you chose not to tell someone that I have disabilities and require adjustments. :roll: They're also refusing to make reasonable adjustments.



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25 May 2012, 4:28 am

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Yeh, it sounds horribly familiar. None of these people / organisations actually bother to listen to anything you say or tell anybody anything. You may as well tell people things yourself and at least you would get ignored / have your information lost personally. Otherwise, the standard line is "I don't know what my colleague told you / the information wasn't handed on to me / I never got the message got the message / phonecall / e-mail / letter etc etc."

At least no one has had a go at me for having autism or telling people I have it. At least your adviser obviously registered the fact of you having autism, in order to have a go at you.

Do you, or anyone else have any ideas or know anyone who could explain or translate to these people or actually sit them down and make them sit down and read through a printed page of information, or listen to anything they are told by your GP / diagnostician etc. How did you get an adviser? Is she freelance or who does she work for?

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25 May 2012, 4:35 am

just drink energy drinks...there are even healthy ones nowadays...



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25 May 2012, 4:36 am

Really think all drugs should be tested again.
Also I think someone could heal in a better way.
Also think the data needs collecting on medical, science & research. For this stuff.
And environmental data too.

Also could do with a equipment shop.


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