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Who do you think will win the presidential election in the USA?
President Obama 85%  85%  [ 33 ]
Mitt Romney 15%  15%  [ 6 ]
Total votes : 39

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30 Apr 2012, 2:53 am

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To be sure, Romney hasn't been able to inspire any sort of "cult of personality" as of yet.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I think you need a personality in order to build a cult around it, and Mitt was tragically born without one.

Now the president on the other hand oozes personality, I just couldn't for the life of me tell you what it is. He seems cool and wears a tuxedo well, but then he kills people without trial, which is frankly a bit of a buzzkill for me.


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30 Apr 2012, 6:52 am

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I don't count Obama as part of the "left".


Ahh, smart man. :D

Who would you consider to be the leaders on the left though? I certainly wouldn't consider most of the Democratic party to be left anymore, so who would really be in charge of the left in the US?


Stewart Alexander and Alex Mendoza

http://www.stewartalexandercares.com/St ... rFlyer.pdf


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30 Apr 2012, 6:57 am

Larry Flynt has flip-flopped, and now endorses Obama

http://news.yahoo.com/hustler-publisher ... 07189.html

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Hustler magazine publisher Larry Flynt, who once ran for governor of California with the slogan “the smut peddler who cares,” told The Daily Caller that he will vote to re-elect President Barack Obama in November.

Flynt has been a longtime Obama skeptic. In December 2010 he penned an open letter to the president in The Daily Beast titled “President Obama: You Are Toast.”

“I was delighted when you were elected,” he wrote then. “Now, like many other Americans, all I see is an ineffectual wimp. If you want a second term in office, you must win back the respect of the American people. From my vantage point it’s hard to see how you can do that.”

In a subsequent April 2011 letter to Obama, he wrote, “As it stands, you can no longer count on any of the groups that supported your Presidential bid last time around.”

But despite his disappointment with Obama on civil liberties issues, on ending foreign wars, on health care reform and on extending the Bush-era tax cuts, Larry Flynt is prepared to change his mind.

“I think Romney will win,” Flynt told TheDC, before hastily correcting himself. “Wait — I mean I think Obama will win, and I’m going to vote for him.”

Asked if he was dissatisfied with Obama’s performance as president, Flynt said Obama “has fallen far short in many ways,” mentioning the extension of the Patriot Act and “the way he’s dealt with Congress.”

But Flynt said it’s important “to consider the lesser of two evils.”

“I don’t think anyone would prefer Romney,” he explained.

Referring to Romney’s 2007 advocacy for porn-blocking software on all new computers, Flynt said the presumptive GOP nominee is “a typical politician: can’t keep the streets clean, but wants to keep our minds clear.”

Flynt added that Romney’s forthcoming commencement address at Liberty University — a school founded by Rev. Jerry Falwell, against whom Flynt won a landmark Supreme Court case on free speech — showed that the former Massachusetts governor “will pander to anyone.”



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30 Apr 2012, 10:05 am

Well, we do have some of the standard Republican tactics for getting out the vote

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/30/opini ... h_20120430

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North Carolina already has a law barring same-sex marriage, but the state’s Republican-controlled Legislature is not satisfied. It devised a measure to enshrine this obvious discrimination in the State Constitution and placed it on the ballot of the state’s May 8 primary election — a test of tolerance versus bigotry that ought to be watched closely nationwide.

In their zeal, lawmakers got careless with the wording of the measure, known as Amendment One. It would constitutionally prohibit recognition not just of same-sex marriages, but of other legal arrangements like civil unions and domestic partnerships. That could harm all unmarried couples, imperiling some children’s health insurance benefits, along with child custody arrangements and safeguards against domestic violence.

The campaign against the amendment is being spearheaded by a coalition of civic, religious, business and civil rights leaders and groups. One of Amendment One’s most vocal opponents is the Rev. William Barber II, president of the state chapter of the N.A.A.C.P. Mr. Barber draws a strong link between the proposed amendment and struggles against racial unfairness, an appeal with special resonance following the publication in March of memos from the National Organization for Marriage, one the most prominent groups fighting same-sex marriage, about driving “a wedge between gays and blacks.”

Polls suggest that defeating this measure remains an uphill struggle, but at least its approval is no longer an entirely foregone conclusion. Much will depend on turnout, especially by voters on college campuses, who will need to vote in larger-than-usual numbers to defeat this declaration of officially sanctioned discrimination.

The North Carolina vote is one of several statewide ballot fights over same-sex marriage the nation will see this year. But public opinion continues to move steadily toward marriage equality. In 2001, Americans opposed same-sex marriage by a margin of 57 percent to 35 percent. Today, 47 percent are in favor and 43 percent opposed, according to a new Pew Research poll.

Opponents of marriage equality have never been able to show any evidence that any harm is caused to heterosexual marriages by granting all American adults the right to marry as they choose — because there is no such evidence. With little more than a week to go before the May 8 contest, and early voting already under way, North Carolinians need to consider whether they really want to inflict this gratuitous bigotry on their fellow citizens and their children.


In other words: "Go and vote for our anti-Gay legislation. And, while you're there, please vote for Mitt Romney for president, too."



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30 Apr 2012, 2:07 pm

Dox47 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
To be sure, Romney hasn't been able to inspire any sort of "cult of personality" as of yet.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I think you need a personality in order to build a cult around it, and Mitt was tragically born without one.

Now the president on the other hand oozes personality, I just couldn't for the life of me tell you what it is. He seems cool and wears a tuxedo well, but then he kills people without trial, which is frankly a bit of a buzzkill for me.


In the case of those assassinations without trial; it might have been questionable, but considering who the targets were (Bin Laden, in particular), I'm not going to share a lot of tears.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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30 Apr 2012, 4:32 pm

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In the case of those assassinations without trial; it might have been questionable, but considering who the targets were (Bin Laden, in particular), I'm not going to share a lot of tears.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


How about the American citizens who were killed, who's guilt or innocence we can't judge because the Obama administration won't release the files, their rationale for assassinating them, or even what checks and balances are used to determine targets. You're going to brush all that off as "questionable"?


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30 Apr 2012, 4:34 pm

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In other words: "Go and vote for our anti-Gay legislation. And, while you're there, please vote for Mitt Romney for president, too."


Karl Rove rides again!


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30 Apr 2012, 5:10 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
In the case of those assassinations without trial; it might have been questionable, but considering who the targets were (Bin Laden, in particular), I'm not going to share a lot of tears.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


How about the American citizens who were killed, who's guilt or innocence we can't judge because the Obama administration won't release the files, their rationale for assassinating them, or even what checks and balances are used to determine targets. You're going to brush all that off as "questionable"?


True enough. But I'll still support him.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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01 May 2012, 1:12 pm

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True enough. But I'll still support him.


Because, you know, continuing to show blatant disregard for our Bill of Rights in the fine tradition of Dubya is perfectly acceptable when our president is a Democrat who pays lip service to sacrosanct liberal political ideals. :roll:



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01 May 2012, 1:29 pm

If you claim to belong to Al Qaeda, an organization that openly declared war on the United States in the 1990s, well, that's on you. One American AQ ran a glossy magazine for them. Another was a cleric who openly claimed to be AQ, called for jihad against the US, etc. Beyond whatever evidence you may doubt, these guys paraded around as AQ. AQ promised vengeance for their deaths. A third is an AQ spokesman who is openly calling for plots to kill Americans. I have no problem with any of them dying. The third isnt dead yet. Hopefully he will be soon.

Americans with dual citizenship were killed in WW2 serving for Germany. That's warfare.



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01 May 2012, 1:37 pm

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If you claim to belong to Al Qaeda, an organization that openly declared war on the United States in the 1990s, well, that's on you. One American AQ ran a glossy magazine for them. Another was a cleric who openly claimed to be AQ, called for jihad against the US, etc. Beyond whatever evidence you may doubt, these guys paraded around as AQ. AQ promised vengeance for their deaths. A third is an AQ spokesman who is openly calling for plots to kill Americans. I have no problem with any of them dying. The third isnt dead yet. Hopefully he will be soon.

Americans with dual citizenship were killed in WW2 serving for Germany. That's warfare.


Just one question. Who created the "terrorists"?

It's easy to wax self-righteous until you look back at history and realize that our foreign policy may have something to do with it.

When I read posts like this, it's no wonder why I feel like Bush is still president.



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01 May 2012, 1:40 pm

Disillusioned, I won't be voting for either of them.
I suppose I'd rather see Obama win than Romney, but not enough to go to the polls.
Is it too late to vote for Hillary? :wink:



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01 May 2012, 4:04 pm

CoMF wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
True enough. But I'll still support him.


Because, you know, continuing to show blatant disregard for our Bill of Rights in the fine tradition of Dubya is perfectly acceptable when our president is a Democrat who pays lip service to sacrosanct liberal political ideals. :roll:


Actually, I will be voting again for Obama for the three reasons stated by Biden:
Bin Laden is dead, GM is alive, and the president has a big stick ( :lol:).

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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01 May 2012, 4:33 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
CoMF wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
True enough. But I'll still support him.


Because, you know, continuing to show blatant disregard for our Bill of Rights in the fine tradition of Dubya is perfectly acceptable when our president is a Democrat who pays lip service to sacrosanct liberal political ideals. :roll:


Actually, I will be voting again for Obama for the three reasons stated by Biden:
Bin Laden is dead, GM is alive, and the president has a big stick ( :lol:).

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


And the Fuhrer had the Wermacht and the Luftwaffe. Big stick not funny, particularly if it is wielded against your liberties and mine.

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01 May 2012, 4:37 pm

Hitler time.

Everyone drink!



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01 May 2012, 4:51 pm

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If you claim to belong to Al Qaeda, an organization that openly declared war on the United States in the 1990s, well, that's on you. One American AQ ran a glossy magazine for them. Another was a cleric who openly claimed to be AQ, called for jihad against the US, etc. Beyond whatever evidence you may doubt, these guys paraded around as AQ. AQ promised vengeance for their deaths. A third is an AQ spokesman who is openly calling for plots to kill Americans. I have no problem with any of them dying. The third isnt dead yet. Hopefully he will be soon.

Americans with dual citizenship were killed in WW2 serving for Germany. That's warfare.


So speaking out against America is now punishable by no-trial assassination? Don't try and pretend what we're doing is no different than killing turncoats in uniform in open battle, that's intellectually dishonest and I think (hope) you know it.


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