Why are the men successful?
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What about those men that think Bud Light is an actual beer....
Bud Light is awesome.
To me it's piss water, when I drink beer I want a real beer.....Black IPA is where it's at man
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What about those men that think Bud Light is an actual beer....
Bud Light is awesome.
To me it's piss water, when I drink beer I want a real beer.....Black IPA is where it's at man
true I only like it because it is cheap
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What about those men that think Bud Light is an actual beer....
Bud Light is awesome.
To me it's piss water, when I drink beer I want a real beer.....Black IPA is where it's at man
true I only like it because it is cheap
If I go cheap I try to find an on sale or not super expensive but decent bottle of hard liqour....I'd rather take some shots than drink a 30 pack of bud....besides I belive its a Lager and lagers make me fart like a cow so I don't particularly like them even the higher quality ones.
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What about those men that think Bud Light is an actual beer....
Bud Light is awesome.
To me it's piss water, when I drink beer I want a real beer.....Black IPA is where it's at man
true I only like it because it is cheap
If I go cheap I try to find an on sale or not super expensive but decent bottle of hard liqour....I'd rather take some shots than drink a 30 pack of bud....besides I belive its a Lager and lagers make me fart like a cow so I don't particularly like them even the higher quality ones.
When it comes to liquor I will only drink tequila but when it comes to beer any beer will do the trick for me.
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What about those men that think Bud Light is an actual beer....
Bud Light is awesome.
To me it's piss water, when I drink beer I want a real beer.....Black IPA is where it's at man
true I only like it because it is cheap
If I go cheap I try to find an on sale or not super expensive but decent bottle of hard liqour....I'd rather take some shots than drink a 30 pack of bud....besides I belive its a Lager and lagers make me fart like a cow so I don't particularly like them even the higher quality ones.
When it comes to liquor I will only drink tequila but when it comes to beer any beer will do the trick for me.
Well hey whatever works for you....as for tequila I do like the effects but the taste makes me wanna puke, even so on occasion I do a shot with chaser as my liking of the effects overrides my dislike of the taste. As for beer I am kinda picky I guess....and I don't actually belive a man is not a real man if he drinks weaker beers or lesser quality that was more of a joke. I just have a liking for strong dark ales,
I will probably be an ass and try that new Bud light platnum that supposedly tastes like top shelf beer.....so I can laugh at it. but hey thats just me I wont litterally judge someone on beer though sometimes it is one thing to read people by.
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Can't say I've ever tried the worm...but yeah I havn't puked from it, its just something about the taste gives me the urge to. But yeah if I take a shot of Skul Vodka I might puke.
I hate vodka it is so nasty
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Can't say I've ever tried the worm...but yeah I havn't puked from it, its just something about the taste gives me the urge to. But yeah if I take a shot of Skul Vodka I might puke.
I hate vodka it is so nasty
Oh I like a good vodka, but some of that cheaper crap might as well be rubbing alcohol.
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Can't say I've ever tried the worm...but yeah I havn't puked from it, its just something about the taste gives me the urge to. But yeah if I take a shot of Skul Vodka I might puke.
I hate vodka it is so nasty
Oh I like a good vodka, but some of that cheaper crap might as well be rubbing alcohol.
Yes it tastes like it too.
So, does it really take more than half a neuron to explain why the reason is not biological at all?
not sure exactly what you mean by the reason not being biological. quite clearly the reason is structural.
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However, it's also a generalization to assume that discrimination or "cultural factors" account for all gender disparities. Prove it if that's your view. I have presented ample evidence that gonadal steroids actually pack a measurable wallop in respect to divergent vs. convergent thinking.
http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v28/n ... 0200a.html
"Estrogen impaired divergent thinking (p<0.01) and enhanced convergent thinking, motor perseveration, and memory for the initial word list (p<0.05 for all tests). In parallel, EEG dimensional complexity was reduced (p<0.05). Overall, these changes indicate an estrogen-induced shift from a 'divergent' towards a more 'convergent' mode of processing. However, overall less consistent, effects of testosterone were opposite to those of estrogen. It increased performance on some of the divergent thinking tasks (p<0.05), and tended to increase EEG dimensional complexity during divergent thinking."
Also, I actually presented scientific, factual support for the claim, "men are generally better at spatial reasoning." Hello, but it's a scientific fact, not just a political issue.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21295035
"Overall, the results indicate that testosterone can have positive activational effects on spatial learning and memory, but the duration of testosterone replacement and the nature of the spatial task modify these effects."
And that directly answers the question in the OP.
The effects of gonadal hormones explain tendencies. They don't explain the details of individual character. That actually does require first-hand observation. There is no easy method of getting an idea as to a person's abilities. The only way to evaluate a person's character or level of ability is to do it right in the first place, which is to actually GET TO KNOW that person and see what that person can do.
It's just really stupid to assume that discrimination or "cultural indoctrination" is the explanation for everything.
It is way more stupid to assume that a slight difference in spatial skills in relation not to gender but hormones (Because in case you didn't know, they are not the same thing), somehow debunks cultural and discrimination factors being at work, it shows a little impairment in reading conclusions from papers.
Specially because the shift of XX century has certainly given us enough reason to believe that it was at least a factor. As artists, engineers , doctors, scientists and all areas have their share of women participation, making it clear that brains are not at work.
Was the discussion not assumption-based? You seem to be the first one to actually put a link to a paper. You don't seem to understand the paper and you are still make the humongous assumption that spatial skills are a determining factor in success, but at least it's an improvement...
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My entire point, beginning to end, is that you and others have invested far too much faith in the explanatory power of "cultural indoctrination," and that is the beginning and end of it. I have succeeded in demonstrating this position to the satisfaction of any reasonable person, which is a category that you don't appear to fall into. I am done. I am right, and you are wrong. I have proven my point amply, and you have contributed nothing whatsoever of substance to the discussion. I am fed up with the discussion in general, and I am done.
If it has a worm in it, it's not Tequila. Only cheap mezcal comes with a worm in it, and it's actually not a worm at all but a moth larva that only nest in maguey plants. It used to be a mark of authenticity, but now it's just marketing.
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So your point is that you are misrepresenting everyone else's point? You must be proud.
Ha, no.
You are soo reasonable.
No, not impressed, sorry. Please misinterpret another paper's abstract and use your misinterpretation as proof that you are right and everyone else is wrong. Maybe if you do a hundred of times, it will look better.
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