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10 May 2012, 6:41 pm

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I mean you know what I wonder about the 60's? I wonder why so many of them stopped and tried to conform to the BS that is society. I mean what the hell happened to people?


Basically ... they needed money ... to pay for the things they needed and wanted, to raise their kids as well or better than they'd been raised, to be independant, etc

Attempts to live outside the system mostly failed to meet long-term needs and security.


Yeah well I don't feel like giving up was the answer.....I suppose though living outside the system is as most thing are easier said than done. Even so I just don't see how someone could just forget about the person they are all for the sake of conforming to a society they were in opposition to. I mean I can't even imagine the internal conflict that would cause.


I guess I don't see things as being quite so black-and-white. The true meaning "conforming to society" is a pretty vague and abstract concept that's more an emotional revulsion than anything. I'm not saying that society is great or anything, just that it doesn't have to have such importance. I think people who are not into the idea of "conforming to society" can find peace by separating those things they have to do just to live life from what is really important in terms of actually giving them true fulfillment. I think at some point you have to find a way to distance yourself from all the meaningless bullshit and just find a way to laugh at it. I mean, I know a friend who one day just decided to throw his television set out of his second story window.


Ok I know that is kind of vague and abstract but how else am I supposed to word what I'm trying to express? I mean I am not trying to go into the true deeper meanings of such terms and debate about it. Point is I just find it sad it seemed like people were more willing to try a different way and could have maybe even made progress with it.......and for whatever reason it just died and everyone decided it was time to grow up and since growing up is I guess synonymous with succeeding in this society(according to a lot of people it seems). Well there was no more trying to change things.

Also that is the thing I cannot function in the society......so its not like I can go to work detatch myself and then come home and be myself while distancing myself from the crap I had to put up with that day. It's like I can't even make money to get away from this society and I could totally see myself throwing a t.v out the window I've certainly had the urge more than once when annoying commercials come on.


I hope I'm not coming off as annoying or unhelpful. I just see somewhat of a false dichotomy. It's possible to try and change society from the inside rather than believing you have to completely cut yourself off. I'm not trying to minimize the fact that you have trouble functioning in this society. I just wish it was easier to not have to focus on how messed up everything is every waking moment. Sorry I don't have the greatest answers.



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10 May 2012, 9:12 pm

Removing comments on multiple threads tonight because I don't want to discuss philosophy as it is difficult for me to convey my beliefs in a way I want others to see them.


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10 May 2012, 9:19 pm

Stop letting the minority control the majority with bs & stand up for your rights. Longer you be push overs the more they will continue doing it. It is not determined by what you want it to be. It does not change reality. Without you they is no them.

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10 May 2012, 9:31 pm

Removing comments on multiple threads tonight because I don't want to discuss philosophy as it is difficult for me to convey my beliefs in a way I want others to see them.


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16 May 2012, 7:47 pm

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Well uhh I wouldn't say he doesn't do anything about it and since when is there a rule that says songs and albums have to give you a 'solution' to an issue the point is to express issues but no musician/singer has all the answers so all they can really do is put ideas and concepts out there for people to think about....also he and the other musicians who did the instruments put on an amazing show and that means a lot to all the Pink Floyd fans who were there. Yeah the music is depressing and there are negative emotions because that was their experience of life, so they made music about it and its music I really enjoy I find listening to such music theraputic....that said sometimes I'm not in the mood for Pink Floyd so I might go a while without listening to them but I can't imagine trashing all my albums, posters, shirts ect. and never listening to their music again.

Also I don't feel I have much of a choice about being angry or depressed......as for the anger I feel like I haven't expressed enough of it I've always been an extreme introvert so yeah I've put up with a lot that's angered me but just kept it to myself and suppressed it. As for the depression well I've been depressed for a very long time and its kind of hard to see the bright side when your whole world is black. But I'm still trying to live life regardless of that, I just don't think anyone should expect me to do it with a big smile on my face.


You are correct, I was unfair to say that Waters was only angry.. In particularly lately he has written and performed songs that are of a more optimistic nature.. although still based on the premise that the world is basically a bunch of jerks..

Waters' father was killed in WW2, and I'm sure that has colored his life in general..

The thing for me about Waters is that he ejected Barrett from the band, who yes was being more erratic, but then, after Barrett was gone, Waters wrote various songs that seem to be sarcastic stabs at the most optimistic elements of 60s art and he basically singlehandedly wrote 'Animals' which to me is a big whinefest.. And Dark Side of the Moon, while it has some musically enjoyable elements, is mostly a big whinefest. Hanging on in desperation is the English way blah blah. F you Waters.

It annoys me because Pink Floyd were expert engineers and yet all they could is whine while smoking endless marijuana and talking about crustless pies. Barrett was bluesy but at least he was poetic about it.

As far as not having a choice as to being angry or depressed, I used to believe this but I find that it is simply not true. I have control over my own mentality, no matter what happens (or seems to happen) externally, and to believe otherwise is to become a slave to some unknown (supposedly) external force. Being different is difficult, because somehow humans in general have some (generally) overriding desire to conform, but it is not impossible, and if it is HOW YOU REALLY FEEL, then it is actually more difficult to conform, and in fact, it will make a person depressed/angry to try to conform.

Overall, I suppose listening to Pink Floyd may have helped me back in the day, but I think I would have been better off if I would have just done what I wanted to do and accepted the punches and slings and arrows :) Of course, if I had done what I wanted, I'd be dead, and I wouldn't be here to type this to you today, although perhaps I would have influenced you from the 192301283812th dimension



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16 May 2012, 7:55 pm

mglosenger wrote:
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Well uhh I wouldn't say he doesn't do anything about it and since when is there a rule that says songs and albums have to give you a 'solution' to an issue the point is to express issues but no musician/singer has all the answers so all they can really do is put ideas and concepts out there for people to think about....also he and the other musicians who did the instruments put on an amazing show and that means a lot to all the Pink Floyd fans who were there. Yeah the music is depressing and there are negative emotions because that was their experience of life, so they made music about it and its music I really enjoy I find listening to such music theraputic....that said sometimes I'm not in the mood for Pink Floyd so I might go a while without listening to them but I can't imagine trashing all my albums, posters, shirts ect. and never listening to their music again.

Also I don't feel I have much of a choice about being angry or depressed......as for the anger I feel like I haven't expressed enough of it I've always been an extreme introvert so yeah I've put up with a lot that's angered me but just kept it to myself and suppressed it. As for the depression well I've been depressed for a very long time and its kind of hard to see the bright side when your whole world is black. But I'm still trying to live life regardless of that, I just don't think anyone should expect me to do it with a big smile on my face.


You are correct, I was unfair to say that Waters was only angry.. In particularly lately he has written and performed songs that are of a more optimistic nature.. although still based on the premise that the world is basically a bunch of jerks..

Waters' father was killed in WW2, and I'm sure that has colored his life in general..

The thing for me about Waters is that he ejected Barrett from the band, who yes was being more erratic, but then, after Barrett was gone, Waters wrote various songs that seem to be sarcastic stabs at the most optimistic elements of 60s art and he basically singlehandedly wrote 'Animals' which to me is a big whinefest.. And Dark Side of the Moon, while it has some musically enjoyable elements, is mostly a big whinefest. Hanging on in desperation is the English way blah blah. F you Waters.

It annoys me because Pink Floyd were expert engineers and yet all they could is whine while smoking endless marijuana and talking about crustless pies. Barrett was bluesy but at least he was poetic about it.

Well I like all those albums...and I don't really see it as pointless whining I see it as great music with great lyrics but to each their own.

As far as not having a choice as to being angry or depressed, I used to believe this but I find that it is simply not true. I have control over my own mentality, no matter what happens (or seems to happen) externally, and to believe otherwise is to become a slave to some unknown (supposedly) external force. Being different is difficult, because somehow humans in general have some (generally) overriding desire to conform, but it is not impossible, and if it is HOW YOU REALLY FEEL, then it is actually more difficult to conform, and in fact, it will make a person depressed/angry to try to conform.

Well I find it's true for me...no matter how hard I've tried to control how I feel it does not really work, I just end up bottling things up only to come out later when something upsets me.

Overall, I suppose listening to Pink Floyd may have helped me back in the day, but I think I would have been better off if I would have just done what I wanted to do and accepted the punches and slings and arrows :) Of course, if I had done what I wanted, I'd be dead, and I wouldn't be here to type this to you today, although perhaps I would have influenced you from the 192301283812th dimension


I don't even know exactly what I want to do.