Are there any gay people who think they choose to be gay?

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Actually, my first guy was Jewish, and he tells me that the reason Jews won't mix cheese and meat is that lactose intolerance is very common among Jewish people. The mixture of cheese and meat make a bad thing worse, and they can get somewhat sick. Some of them won't even eat dairy and meat in the same meal. If it did the same thing to your digestive tract that it does to theirs, you wouldn't either.

I've also read somewhere, although unfortunately I have completely forgotten where, that when you look at the historical context of the prohibition of male homosexuality you see it in a different light. I've never read the Bible, so I can't back this up, but apparently much of what was written seems more like it was advice on good hygiene than moral commandments.

The historical context behind the Leviticus verses were to stop Jews, who were not living in good conditions at the time, from joining the more appealing neighbors with their fertility cults and rituals. It is blatantly obvious that while homosexuality may be immoral, the death penalty was for idolatry (obviously, it is everywhere in that book) and not the actual practice. Unless someone wants to explain why it does...

Well, OK, what about Romans, Corinthians, and Timothy? Well, Paul wrote in Greek, and he would see other things he MIGHT call homosexuality (even though there was no real word for that in hisculture)...except it is now called pederasty (points to language he wrote in).

How do I know this? Check this out:

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I'm sure the other Christians here with their message of "tolerance" have nice things to say about Devil wor...I mean Catholics, sorry. This is the worst kept secret among Christian conservatives on WP, I'm serious.

Emphasis mine. They know what it refers to, they just twisted it to make it mean like that. The numbers inside the quote are references...none of which are the Leviticus verses.

Nonsense! Many Jews don't do meat and milk products out of the habits from their upbringing. That is very common among the not all that observant Jews of my age cohort. Younger Jews have trouble mixing meat and milk and even nibbling at piggy meat. And why not? Is there anything quite as good as a properly cook rack of ribs? It is very unfair of God letting Gentiles have all the good tasting stuff.

And besides. What did God do for the Jews during the Holocaust? Nada. Bupkis. So why should we keep kosher?

ruveyn

What, you don't buy the argument that allowing you to suffer and die should bring you closer to Him?

All i know for sure is, I can't possibly accept the existence of a supreme deity that would deny me a bacon cheeseburger, let alone worship it.

Nonsense!

If AngelRho had lived back then he wouldve freely admitted that "Black people dont choose to be Black", but he would insist that Black people enroll in church based programs to "deal with their Blackness" as an alternative to joining in "the Black lifestyle".

But if you tried to pin him down as to what all of that actually means in practical terms- if he is saying what he seems to be saying- that religion can cure you of Blackness and actually make you White- he would just dance around the issue and cry that you're twisting his words. But he would still steadfastly refuse to state just what his "words" actually are.

I need to be cured of my blackness, can Jesus help me

Science can help you, but are you willing to die in the process?

I'm serious, you can change your skin color, but it is life-threatening. I mean, if you are willing to put syphilis into them, why not try this procedure as well?

Is that what happened to Michael Jackson????! !!

Well, he was very much a reform Jew, and he only really went to religious services to do stuff like getting his children bar mitzvahed and all that. I was never really all that clear on whether he was an atheist or what...he was always kind of mysterious about that sort of thing. Anyway, he wasn't a very avid Jew really, so I don't know how reliable his explanations really are. I'm just telling what he told me.

My ex actually never ate a kosher meal in the whole time that I knew him. In fact, he would go out of his way to violate it.

I think I'd like you in person.

A bit off topic now, but still worth sharing I think:
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I know that a lot of people might have trouble understanding this comparison, but I have always thought of homosexuality a lot like I think of Aspergers and Tourettes. The thing is, neither of them is really an illness at low amplitude, but the only thing that usually makes them a nuisance, unless they are very severe or accompanied by more substantial problems, is other people's inability to make peace with other people's differences. Really, take the "rocking back and forth." Some people say, "it makes you look crazy." Well, the same people who say that never notice someone shifting from side to side after standing still for a long time. The tics that come with Tourettes often don't amount to much if you consider that most people have "normal" tics and stims, such as bouncing their leg up and down when they are nervous. The fact that Aspergers often doesn't cause people any substantial problems unto itself, outside of the intolerance and bigotry of ignorant people, is part of why I don't think it ought to be considered to be a disease except at a certain threshold of severity. I don't see how it's different that some people are gay.

Now, let me tell you something about so-called "bears." You know, those hyper-masculine gay guys? Let me tell you, in reality, all of them are hiding ultra-feminine personalities under all that hair, even compared to most gay guys. I am not kidding. They are the most stereotypical females you will ever meet, in every non-physical sense of the word, and I mean all of them. You know how women will hold a grudge for eternity and then some? Yep. And they throw the most puerile tantrums, especially over relationships that didn't work out. I mean, you won't find some ordinary smooth-twink, after a break-up, looting his house for a bunch of old pictures to shred or burn. Also, they seem to have this idea of what they are entitled to get in bed, and they will blow you out if you don't perform like a trained seal. They are really that obnoxious. Oh, and they are such gossips. Let me tell you, these so-called "bears" who pretend they are so "non-stereotypical" are the worst gossips in the cosmos. I am not kidding: if you want to know the details of the sex lives of every gay man in the city, ask one of those guys who try to groom themselves as "ultra-masculine" because they will tell you where all of them live, what they do for a living, and the exact reason they broke up with their past lovers.

In fact, there is only one "bear" I would ever consider dating:

Homosexuality isn't a physical illness but a spiritual illness. If you are OK with it, I have no problem but I still think it's bad (sinful). If you look at statistic, you we see homosexuality isn't the same then heterosexuality. Aids, drug abuse, infidelity are higher in the gay community. Life expectancy are shorter for men with same sex attraction.

Some people with same sex attraction kill themself because nobody tell them they are a cure for homosexuality. I'm still alive because a christian tell me he can help me with my same sex attraction. The therapy work great and I'm still here to talk about it.

Do you have actual solid evidence for these claims?

pat can,

I would never contradict your experience.

But your experience, and the handful of people whose experiences are similar are vastly outweighed by the people whose experiences are similar to mine.

So long as you are talking out your own experience, I'll not gainsay you. But you cannot pretend that your experience can be applied to all people with a same-sex attraction--or even by all Christians who believe their same sex attraction is sinful and want to repress it. Ex-gay programs fail far more often than they succeed, and I would venture to suggest that the people who try and fail are even worse off than the men who never try at all.