Musicians who have (or may have?) Asperger's Syndrome.

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19 Feb 2016, 9:45 am

The Wikipedia.org category "Musicians with Asperger syndrome" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... r_syndrome) is among five categories including Category:Autistic savants, Category:LGBT people on the autism spectrum, Category:People on the autism spectrum and Category:People with Asperger syndrome which have been nominated for DELETION.

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16 Dec 2016, 11:26 am

I recently attended a composer talk in November prior to a symphony concert in my hometown, the subjects of which were Prokofiev and Bizet - the featured composers of the concert - and, given the information I learned about Prokofiev from the presentation, I suspect he may have been on the spectrum. The term enfant terrible seems to be an apt representation of a lot of people with Asperger's (he would openly criticize his much older peers at the music conservatory for their works with blatant disregard toward their feelings, but not in a sociopathic way - he didn't seem to understand the subtleties of these interactions), and just the fact that he was highly gifted in one specific area at a very young age is a pretty close indicator (he was very young when he was sent to the St. Petersburg Conservatory). He also seems to have a bit of an awkward "Aspie look" to him, at least imho.Image
I haven't seen video footage of him, but I imagine as a child and adolescent he probably had an awkward gait. What do you guys think?


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22 Dec 2016, 5:39 pm

Pianist Glenn Gould mentioned by the OP ten years ago had a lot of reliably documented traits.
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Gould was widely known for his unusual habits. He usually hummed while he played the piano, and his recording engineers had mixed results in how successfully they could exclude his voice from recordings. Gould claimed that his singing was unconscious and increased proportionately with the inability of the piano in question to realize the music as he intended. It is likely that this habit originated in Gould's having been taught by his mother to "sing everything that he played", as Kevin Bazzana puts it. This became "an unbreakable (and notorious) habit".[51] Some of Gould's recordings were severely criticised because of the background "vocalising". For example, a reviewer of his 1981 re-recording of the Goldberg Variations opined that many listeners would "find the groans and croons intolerable".[52] Gould was renowned for his peculiar body movements while playing and for his insistence on absolute control over every aspect of his playing environment. The temperature of the recording studio had to be exactly regulated. He invariably insisted that it be extremely warm. According to Friedrich, the air conditioning engineer had to work just as hard as the recording engineers.[53] The piano had to be set at a certain height and would be raised on wooden blocks if necessary.[54] A small rug would sometimes be required for his feet underneath the piano.[55] He had to sit fourteen inches above the floor and would play concerts only while sitting on the old chair his father had made. He continued to use this chair even when the seat was completely worn through.[56] His chair is so closely identified with him that it is shown in a place of honour in a glass case at the National Library of Canada.

A replica of Glenn Gould's chair
Conductors responded diversely to Gould and his playing habits. George Szell, who led Gould in 1957 with the Cleveland Orchestra, remarked to his assistant, "That nut's a genius."[57] Leonard Bernstein said, "There is nobody quite like him, and I just love playing with him."[57] Bernstein created a stir at the concert of 6 April 1962 when, just before the New York Philharmonic was to perform the Brahms Piano Concerto No. 1 in D minor with Gould as soloist, he informed the audience that he was assuming no responsibility for what they were about to hear. He asked the audience: "In a concerto, who is the boss – the soloist or the conductor? (audience laughter). The answer is, of course, sometimes the one and sometimes the other, depending on the people involved."[58] Specifically, he was referring to their rehearsals with Gould's insistence that the entire first movement be played at half the indicated tempo. The speech was interpreted by Harold C. Schonberg, music critic for The New York Times, as an abdication of responsibility and an attack on Gould.[59] Plans for a studio recording of the performance came to nothing. The live radio broadcast (along with Bernstein's disclaimer) was subsequently released on CD.
Gould was averse to cold and wore heavy clothing (including gloves), even in warm places. He was once arrested, presumably mistaken for a vagrant, while sitting on a park bench in Sarasota, Florida, dressed in his standard all-climate attire of coat(s), hat and mittens.[60] Barbara Rose, daughter of the legendary cellist Leonard Rose, with whom Gould partnered on several recordings, later suggested that Gould had suffered from fibromyalgia, a condition which could not be diagnosed at the time and which made it impossible for Gould to tell hot from cold.[61] He also disliked social functions. He hated being touched, and in later life he limited personal contact, relying on the telephone and letters for communication. On one visit to Steinway Hall in New York City in 1959, the chief piano technician at the time, William Hupfer, greeted Gould by giving him a slap on the back. Gould was shocked by this, and complained of aching, lack of coordination, and fatigue because of the incident. He went on to explore the possibility of litigation against Steinway & Sons if his apparent injuries were permanent.[62] He was known for cancelling performances at the last minute, which is why Bernstein's above-mentioned public disclaimer opens with, "Don't be frightened, Mr. Gould is here... will appear in a moment."
In his liner notes and broadcasts, Gould created more than two dozen alter egos for satirical, humorous, or didactic purposes, permitting him to write hostile reviews or incomprehensible commentaries on his own performances. Probably the best-known are the German musicologist "Karlheinz Klopweisser", the English conductor "Sir Nigel Twitt-Thornwaite", and the American critic "Theodore Slutz".[63] These facets of Gould, whether interpreted as neurosis or "play",[64] have provided ample material for psychobiography.
Fran's Restaurant in Toronto was a regular haunt of Gould's. A CBC profile noted, "sometime between two and three every morning, Gould would go to Fran's, a 24-hour diner a block away from his Toronto apartment, sit in the same booth, and order the same meal of scrambled eggs."[65] In a letter to the cellist Virginia Katims, dating back to 20 January 1973, Gould stated he had been vegetarian for about ten years.[66]
It has been debated whether or not Gould's mind fell within the autism spectrum.[7] The diagnosis was first suggested by psychiatrist Peter Ostwald, a friend of Gould's, in the 1997 book Glenn Gould: The Ecstasy and Tragedy of Genius.[67]


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27 Dec 2016, 8:14 pm

I wonder if the singer from Mazzy Star, Hope Sandoval, had Aspergers. To be honest I don't have much to go on but I know she was extremely shy/socially anxious and was always really uncomfortable in interviews and on stage.



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27 Dec 2016, 9:21 pm

I have always thought that Al Stewart (Year Of The Cat) might have HFA.



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27 Dec 2016, 11:31 pm

Not sure if anu one has mentioned it, but I suspect maybe Jackson C Frank could have been on the spectrum.

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20 Feb 2017, 12:39 am

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04 Mar 2017, 3:27 pm

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Britte wrote:
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What are her autistic traits?.

The brain aneurism and her self report of the unofficial Morgellons Disease has been documented.


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05 Mar 2017, 4:49 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
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What are her autistic traits?.

The brain aneurism and her self report of the unofficial Morgellons Disease has been documented.


Well, I don't have any scientific proof or the like, however, if you listen, carefully, to what she expresses through her lyrics and the way that she composes music, she exposes a multitude of traits, I believe. I've been able to relate to her/her music/lyrics, from my early childhood, as her music made me feel balanced, alive and understood. She is emotionally sensitive, perceptive, analytical and logical, (and, yes, contrary to popular belief, you can think in logical terms, while being a deeply sensitive person), and we express the deepest aspects of ourselves, almost exclusively, through art/ music and writing.

She has taken a different direction in life, in recent years, but, in past, she would mention how much harder she had to work at life, socially and emotionally, and, it took her a long time to accept fame and, to allow others to put monetary value on her art/music, as she hadn't set out to become a renowned artist. She played to express herself, and, to give to others and make extra money, enough to pay her bills, and the fame that came, had been a burden to her psyche. The compromises and sacrifices she has had to consider, going against the wiring of her brain, her personality and her convictions. She has been taken advantage of, throughout her life. She is a perfectionist. She needs a lot of solitude and down-time, away from the world. She is deeply humble. She doesn't see age, color or race, ability, disability. She is inclusive of all, and she is incorrigibly open-minded and non-judgmental. She is sensory sensitive. She has Absolute Pitch. She doesn't engage in small-talk. She absorbs the feelings/emotions and energy of others, easily, and has to consciously work at blocking it, and, I, too, am on this end of the spectrum, so to speak. She was sent by her parents, to an annalist when she was very young, and she describes her perceptions of herself, and her parent's and the annalist's perceptions of her, within the song, Twisted (pasted, below), although, this particular song isn't the music that I refer to, when I speak of the AS traits that she exudes through her music. I'm no expert, and I have, even, been questioning my own diagnoses, in recent months, but, anyway, those are my thoughts, in response to your inquiry...

~Twisted

My analyst told me
That I was right out of my head
The way he described it
He said I'd be better dead than live
I didn't listen to his jive
I knew all along
That he was all wrong
And I knew that he thought
I was crazy but I'm not, oh no

My analyst told me
That I was right out of my head
He said I'd need treatment
But I'm not that easily led
He said I was the type
That was most inclined
When out of his sight
To be out of my mind
And he thought I was nuts
No more ifs or ands or buts

They say as a child
I appeared a little bit wild
With all my crazy ideas
But I knew what was happening
I knew I was a genius
What's so strange when you know
That you're a wizard at three?
I knew that this was meant to be

Now I heard little children
Were supposed to sleep tight
That's why I got into the vodka one night
My parents got frantic
Didn't know what to do
But I saw some crazy scenes
Before I came to
Now do you think I was crazy?
I may have been only three
But I was swinging

They all laugh at angry young men
They all laugh at Edison
And also at Einstein
So why should I feel sorry
If they just couldn't understand
The idiomatic logic
That went on in my head
I had a brain
It was insane
Oh, they used to laugh at me
When I refused to ride
On all those double decker buses
All because there was no driver on the top

My analyst told me
That I was right out of my head
But I said dear doctor
I think that it's you instead
Because I have got a thing
That's unique and new
To prove it I'll have
The last laugh on you
'Cause instead of one head
I got two
And you know two heads are better than one



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06 Mar 2017, 12:47 pm

Musicians as most creative people are more likely to be "different" than those in other lines of work. I do think that a higher percentage of creative people are on the spectrum than in other cohorts. Several recent studies have suggested this is true. Still, if 98 percent of the population is not autistic it would seem to reason that a large majority of musicians are not autistic.

If one is going to speculate one should base it on more than he or she seems quirky and socially awkward. Autism has been labeled a "pervasive" condition for a reason. In my earlier post about Glenn Gould, I presented evidence of obsessive repetitive routines and possible stimming both verbal and physical.

I do wish more musicians and creative people would come out as autistic to help delegitimize stigmas and provide examples of success for other autistics.

We become fans of a musician sometimes because their work and their presentation we can relate to in some way. To say we can only relate to the musician because the musician is probably autistic limits ourselves. The widespread identifying of celebrities and historical figures as autistics has given people who think we are needy or autistic wannabees a weapon to use against us. Yes, haters will hate and one can not live ones life solely to please other people. But if one is going to give other people weapons to use against us there should be good reasons.

If you want to speculate about celebrities for purely fun reasons a long as you say that is what you are doing, fine. To do it to note that people with strong autistic traits can be successful is a good thing. But that is as far as it should go.


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06 Mar 2017, 3:29 pm

James Durbin of American Idol Fame and the new lead singer of Quiet Riot.
American Idol' favorite overcomes Tourette's, Asperger's

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I believe it was December of '98 when my dad passed away of an overdose. A few weeks later, around my 10th birthday, I was diagnosed with Tourette syndrome and Asperger's syndrome.
It was a really rough time, especially at that age, being told I have a neurological "disease," when I already felt so different.
At that point I was being bullied for being different, having big ears, and now for having no dad AND for making weird faces and noises I couldn't control. I was a walking target.


'American Idol' Alum James Durbin Picked as New Singer of Quiet Riot - Billboard March 3, 2017


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08 Mar 2017, 2:42 am

Hi AsPartOfMe, I am not sure if your post had been in response to my response to your inquiry on the previous page, but, thought I'd mention that Joni Mitchell has in fact, mentioned 'autistic'/'autistic-like' traits, that she possesses, in some of her interviews. The title of this thread included (Or may have?), therefore, I didn't think it would be inappropriate for me to state my thoughts. I do understand where you are coming from, however, and I think you make valid points.



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Britte wrote:
Hi AsPartOfMe, I am not sure if your post had been in response to my response to your inquiry on the previous page, but, thought I'd mention that Joni Mitchell has in fact, mentioned 'autistic'/'autistic-like' traits, that she possesses, in some of her interviews. The title of this thread included (Or may have?), therefore, I didn't think it would be inappropriate for me to state my thoughts. I do understand where you are coming from, however, and I think you make valid points.


You have not done it but I see people listing just a name and that is it. But I do feel strongly about what I wrote. If you do not have time do not bother but I would love to see the Joni Mitchell autism quotes.


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25 Mar 2017, 5:08 am

Steven Wilson of Porcupine Tree.

I don't know this factually, as he is a very introverted figure, but the second I read the first post in this thread he came to mind as a favorite musician of mine who would "fit the description".

Edit: I noticed he was already mentioned. Still, an underappreciated musician, in my opinion.