Things YOU Understand (but Don't Understand) About NTs

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02 Jul 2012, 10:00 pm

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To get back to the original question of this post, what I kind of get but am still not really on the same page regarding ... KISSING. Sometimes I feel it, other times not. However, I do see and sometimes feel why kissing is so important. I just haven't really nailed how to do it down yet.


Statistically, those on the spectrum are less likely to have as many romantic relationships as those who are NT.

I wonder if lack of experience might cause this confusion, or it really does just feel strange.

Sort of tying in with being kissed: I think I understand PDA (Public Displays of Affection) in theory. Part of it may be that people are just that in love, another part of it may be they want to display non-verbally that they're a couple. Yet, in practice, it feels really strange to me.



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02 Jul 2012, 10:40 pm

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What is your theory as to how A and B would be classified regarding the spectrum and having/lacking ToM. I'm not asking how you would diagnose them, but how they'd most likely be diagnosed (AS or NT) based on the current climate of practicing psychologists?

Right to the heart:
You are trying to diagnose yourself with this link- don't.



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02 Jul 2012, 11:52 pm

Mdyar wrote:
again_with_this wrote:
What is your theory as to how A and B would be classified regarding the spectrum and having/lacking ToM. I'm not asking how you would diagnose them, but how they'd most likely be diagnosed (AS or NT) based on the current climate of practicing psychologists?

Right to the heart:
You are trying to diagnose yourself with this link- don't.


No, not diagnose myself with the link. I'm asking about your perception on how A and B would most likely be diagnosed. I may identify with A, but I may very well be a B. And how A or how B I am may vary in any given situation. So I'm not asking which one I'm more like. I'm asking, based on the link, how you think A and B would be diagnosed.



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03 Jul 2012, 3:52 am

My AS is pretty mild.....social relationships and "chit-chat" are confusing and difficult for me, yes, but they aren't all-out impossible. I think over time I've become better at following NT conversations and acting like I give a damn about them (which I do not) just to fit in. I think a lot of the reason I don't understand/participate in these conversations is that I simply can't relate to what is being discussed. I've never had a boyfriend - don't know the first thing about being in an intimate relationship - so cannot talk about these things with friends. Even when I've had crushes (I'm in high school, mind you), I never wanted to go on about them in conversation. It's just boring to me.


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03 Jul 2012, 8:14 pm

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B does not strike me as autistic, or at least not Asperger's. B seems very much like an NT.

What is your theory as to how A and B would be classified regarding the spectrum and having/lacking ToM. I'm not asking how you would diagnose them, but how they'd most likely be diagnosed (AS or NT) based on the current climate of practicing psychologists?


If I were a Psychologist I would diagnose B with Green Acres syndrome. :lol: You've seen the 60's show?

As applying this to novel communication: Group think isn't in the AS Modus, so my conjecture is that you would not find someone on the spectrum guessing and implying motives - or projecting this at all. Something would have have to be asked of him/her. I'd doubt by this behavior (in the link) one could come to any conclusion of 'spectrum'. If someone did positively engage this, it would arise out of defensive anxiety - built from rehearsed scripts.

That is as far you can take this.



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03 Jul 2012, 11:11 pm

Being an autistic is a romantic disaster. This is because I am honest enough to tell a girl that her astrology is BS.



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04 Jul 2012, 1:43 am

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If I were a Psychologist I would diagnose B with Green Acres syndrome. :lol: You've seen the 60's show?


I was in Manhattan the other day, and when on 35th street crossing Park, I couldn't help but think, "darling I love you, but give me Park Avenue."

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As applying this to novel communication: Group think isn't in the AS Modus, so my conjecture is that you would not find someone on the spectrum guessing and implying motives - or projecting this at all.


I'm NOT trying to draw this out, just trying to pick your brain. I guess what I'm asking based on this statement here, is that while group think is not in the AS nature, what about "preemptive group think" or being aware that group think exists, and trying one's best to anticipate it's possibilities, despite it not being natural. Would the autistic mind not even stop to question it? Or can an autistic minded-person actually spend a great deal of time trying to infer though not being able to fully participate (and probably not wanting to participate) in group think? In other words, not engaging in group think, but not oblivious to its existence (especially if the autistic is an adult). Just asking for clarification.

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Something would have have to be asked of him/her. I'd doubt by this behavior (in the link) one could come to any conclusion of 'spectrum'. If someone did positively engage this, it would arise out of defensive anxiety - built from rehearsed scripts.


Positively engage what exactly? A behavior? B behavior? What?

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That is as far you can take this.


Are you trying to tell me that's as far as your willing to go with this?



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04 Jul 2012, 3:33 am

NTs seem to be obsessed with happiness. Not happiness itself, but the outward demonstration of happiness.

If someone isn't smiling and happy, then there has to be an urgent intervention to make them happy again. It doesn't matter how they actually feel - they MUST be smiling and happy no matter what, or else something is wrong with them and they must see a doctor and take pills.

You know, I've actually had people telling me that I should look happier because otherwise I'm "spoiling other people's good mood." Well, I'm sorry but I can't be smiling all the time... I can't.



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04 Jul 2012, 4:56 am

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NTs seem to be obsessed with happiness. Not happiness itself, but the outward demonstration of happiness.

If someone isn't smiling and happy, then there has to be an urgent intervention to make them happy again. It doesn't matter how they actually feel - they MUST be smiling and happy no matter what, or else something is wrong with them and they must see a doctor and take pills.

You know, I've actually had people telling me that I should look happier because otherwise I'm "spoiling other people's good mood." Well, I'm sorry but I can't be smiling all the time... I can't.


Excellent observation. I've had NTs ask me if I was feeling down, when really I felt fine. I've also had surrounding NTs agree with the first one and chime in with things like, "smile more," or "yeah, I agree, you don't look too happy."

I've come to realize NTs like the display of happiness, and anything short of that may be seen as bothersome. I've also seen many putting on a happy face. Not necessarily phony, but a need to show their happiness moreso than would feel natural. But I don't know why they just can't accept that sometimes I'm happy, but don't feel the need to "show it" like they do.



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04 Jul 2012, 5:14 am

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I'm NOT trying to draw this out, just trying to pick your brain. I guess what I'm asking based on this statement here, is that while group think is not in the AS nature, what about "preemptive group think" or being aware that group think exists, and trying one's best to anticipate it's possibilities, despite it not being natural. Would the autistic mind not even stop to question it? Or can an autistic minded-person actually spend a great deal of time trying to infer though not being able to fully participate (and probably not wanting to participate) in group think? In other words, not engaging in group think, but not oblivious to its existence (especially if the autistic is an adult). Just asking for clarification.


It's human nature to survive. If you did not preemptively strike, you'd be smitten.

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Something would have have to be asked of him/her. I'd doubt by this behavior (in the link) one could come to any conclusion of 'spectrum'. If someone did positively engage this, it would arise out of defensive anxiety - built from rehearsed scripts.


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Positively engage what exactly? A behavior? B behavior? What?

Initiating a communication to Interface this with anyone. As in the example, one doing this ( to "engage") out of pressure from culture; an anxiety to make it work because you don't know what shoe to wear-- a confusion that arises out of over thinking-- been there a million times. You stand there at a precipice -- you can feel like you're on that edge of a nervous breakdown


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That is as far you can take this.


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Are you trying to tell me that's as far as your willing to go with this?


No, and Oh c'mon now. How "NT" of you to lead me. :lol:



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04 Jul 2012, 5:18 am

I get confused with sarcasm half the time. I dont understand why sarcasm is used is it used for a hidden attempt at humor or what?


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04 Jul 2012, 5:20 am

again_with_this wrote:
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NTs seem to be obsessed with happiness. Not happiness itself, but the outward demonstration of happiness.

If someone isn't smiling and happy, then there has to be an urgent intervention to make them happy again. It doesn't matter how they actually feel - they MUST be smiling and happy no matter what, or else something is wrong with them and they must see a doctor and take pills.

You know, I've actually had people telling me that I should look happier because otherwise I'm "spoiling other people's good mood." Well, I'm sorry but I can't be smiling all the time... I can't.


Excellent observation. I've had NTs ask me if I was feeling down, when really I felt fine. I've also had surrounding NTs agree with the first one and chime in with things like, "smile more," or "yeah, I agree, you don't look too happy."

I've come to realize NTs like the display of happiness, and anything short of that may be seen as bothersome. I've also seen many putting on a happy face. Not necessarily phony, but a need to show their happiness moreso than would feel natural. But I don't know why they just can't accept that sometimes I'm happy, but don't feel the need to "show it" like they do.


Wait a minute. There are plenty of "NT" introverts that are corralled by extroverts. They have these topics on their forums.



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05 Jul 2012, 1:03 pm

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Wait a minute. There are plenty of "NT" introverts that are corralled by extroverts. They have these topics on their forums.


Yes, but how many of them are truly shocked by it? Being NT, they fully understand this dimension of the their extroverted brethren, they just don't like dealing with it. I doubt they're actually clueless about the "social logic" behind it.



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05 Jul 2012, 1:04 pm

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I get confused with sarcasm half the time. I dont understand why sarcasm is used is it used for a hidden attempt at humor or what?


Gee, ya think?



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05 Jul 2012, 2:45 pm

again_with_this wrote:
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I get confused with sarcasm half the time. I dont understand why sarcasm is used is it used for a hidden attempt at humor or what?


Gee, ya think?
I dont know, well maybe?...HEY WAIT! are you using sarcasm? Gahh. :roll:


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05 Jul 2012, 2:49 pm

again_with_this wrote:
AspieOtaku wrote:
I get confused with sarcasm half the time. I dont understand why sarcasm is used is it used for a hidden attempt at humor or what?


Gee, ya think?


Ouch or lol which is it haha :oops: