Why ignore these facts about Obama's birth certificate?

Page 7 of 9 [ 121 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9  Next

Ancalagon
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 25 Dec 2007
Age: 40
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,525

30 Aug 2012, 10:10 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Those other than Obama and Romney don't have a snow ball's chance in hell.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Only as long as you and those like you keep thinking that way.


Me, and almost everyone else in the country.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

This reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Kang and Kodos win the election by impersonating both Dole and Clinton. They are discovered, and the earthlings are about to vote for a third party candidate, but then one of the aliens said "Go ahead, throw your vote away".

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTJ0qYR6YFo[/youtube]


_________________
"A dead thing can go with the stream, but only a living thing can go against it." --G. K. Chesterton


Ancalagon
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 25 Dec 2007
Age: 40
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,525

30 Aug 2012, 10:18 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
I don't recall the McCain birther conspiracy theory as having the life or legs of the Obama birther bullshit.

Well, to be fair, Obama actually got elected. Kind of takes the wind out of the sails of a conspiracy theory if it no longer matters if it's true.

Quote:
The racial overtones are undeniable.

I'm not going to change my mind and believe you just because you said what you think again.


_________________
"A dead thing can go with the stream, but only a living thing can go against it." --G. K. Chesterton


Sweetleaf
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Jan 2011
Gender: Female
Posts: 30,430
Location: Somewhere in Colorado

30 Aug 2012, 10:28 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Well thing is, those running the show don't really seem to give a damn. So my perspective is I have heard of the possibilty of the birth certificate being fake and its believable(since our government blatantly ignores the constitution and its own laws on a regular basis) but since it doesn't appear to make any difference in Obama being president I guess I see no reason to dwell on it.

I mean people can scream about how fake it is all they want and I doubt its really going to effect any government policy.


So, is there any basis at all for you to assume the certificate is fake beyond "He is black" and "government is evil"?

Also, these people "running the show", don't you think their lives would be easier if they chose an American citizen as their puppet president so they wouldn't risk losing the control of everything out of a technicality?


Oh I didn't realize I was assuming the certificate is fake.....I was more saying it probably wouldn't make much difference either way. I mean I doubt he's going to be impeached over such allegations and even if he were its not as though we're going to get someone much better.

And yeah it would make more sense for them to choose an American Citizen....but then again the idea that the birth certificate is fake helps to keep people divided and distracted.

I am kind of confused about when I ever implied that I assume its fake(I said its not unbelievable that it could be, not that I think it is) or that I assumed this because 'he's black' and 'the government is evil(I don't like the government but evil is a subjective term to me). So why you assumed that I am not sure.


Dont blame anyone for being baffled by what you said because what you said didnt make any sense to me either.

Considering I am not really on the 'fake birth certificate' bandwagon, and have no issue with Obama being black...am I supposed to just accept assumptions that I think those things?

The opposite of what you said makes sense.
That ONLY the powerful pretend to care about his birth certificate (like the Donald Trumps of the world). while the rest of us are worried about jobs and healthcare, and the like.

To the rest of us- the fact that obama was born 36 hours before his parents deplaned in the USA ( or the fact that Romney once hazed a gay kid when they were both school boys of 14) doesnt mean squat!

Its up to the ideologues (who look for any straw the can use against whichever candidate theyre gunning for) to persuade US to give a damn. Not the other way around!


Also I am not really sure how this is the opposite of what I said, or how it makes more sense....not to mention what I said was just one idea I had on the matter I wasn't arguing its the absolute truth of the matter. But nevermind I really don't care to make an idiot of myself trying to explain what I meant.


_________________
Who started the fire?...well, it certainly wasn't the millenials.


donryanocero
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker

User avatar

Joined: 24 Jul 2012
Age: 35
Gender: Male
Posts: 58

30 Aug 2012, 10:38 am

Dox47 wrote:
Yeah, birth certificate or not, he's been a notably shitty president; this just distracts from it.


How so? Seems like most things people cite as grievances against obama, they should really have with congress.

I'm disappointed that Obama hasn't closed gitmo or left Afghanistan. Wall street prosecutions should have happened. Besides this, definitely far better than dubbya?

I think real and serious campaign finance reform would fix this, but now with citizens united, we're really screwed. If lots of money is required to stay in office, lobbyists with money become the new constituency of government rather than people.



Kraichgauer
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Apr 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 40,391
Location: Spokane area, Washington state.

30 Aug 2012, 1:25 pm

donryanocero wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
Yeah, birth certificate or not, he's been a notably shitty president; this just distracts from it.


How so? Seems like most things people cite as grievances against obama, they should really have with congress.

I'm disappointed that Obama hasn't closed gitmo or left Afghanistan. Wall street prosecutions should have happened. Besides this, definitely far better than dubbya?

I think real and serious campaign finance reform would fix this, but now with citizens united, we're really screwed. If lots of money is required to stay in office, lobbyists with money become the new constituency of government rather than people.


Agreed, 100%.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



Kraichgauer
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Apr 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 40,391
Location: Spokane area, Washington state.

30 Aug 2012, 1:27 pm

Ancalagon wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I don't recall the McCain birther conspiracy theory as having the life or legs of the Obama birther bullshit.

Well, to be fair, Obama actually got elected. Kind of takes the wind out of the sails of a conspiracy theory if it no longer matters if it's true.

Quote:
The racial overtones are undeniable.

I'm not going to change my mind and believe you just because you said what you think again.


But why would you believe such a thing about the President, if you don't have a racial axe to grind? Especially since the birth certificate has been proven to be legit.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



simon_says
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 20 Jan 2011
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,200

30 Aug 2012, 2:13 pm

If you are not a Democrat you won't like what Obama has done. Hillary, my choice for candidate, would have pursued very similar policies and they would have hated her too. As they did in the 90s. No question about that. At the end of the day he accomplished more than Clinton's first term. Taxes are still low but the economy has not magically healed. Economists say that at we'll see another 2% drop in unemployment over the next four years.

If you value the success of the United States you'd better hope that the Democrats aren't as obstructionist during the next Republican administration as Republicans have been this time. Else government will continue to be totally paralyzed. If that becomes the new normal then we are in trouble.



Fnord
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 May 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 40,373
Location: Stendec

30 Aug 2012, 2:27 pm

Even if the 'birthers' are right, what do they propose to do about it?


_________________
 
“I must acknowledge, once and for all, that the
purpose of diplomacy is to prolong a crisis.”

— Leonard Nimoy as Mr. Spock, in the Star Trek
episode "The Mark of Gideon" (ep. 3-16, 1969)


Kraichgauer
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Apr 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 40,391
Location: Spokane area, Washington state.

30 Aug 2012, 2:27 pm

simon_says wrote:
If you are not a Democrat you won't like what Obama has done. Hillary, my choice for candidate, would have pursued very similar policies and they would have hated her too. As they did in the 90s. No question about that. At the end of the day he accomplished more than Clinton's first term. Taxes are still low but the economy has not magically healed. Economists say that at we'll see another 2% drop in unemployment over the next four years.

If you value the success of the United States you'd better hope that the Democrats aren't as obstructionist during the next Republican administration as Republicans have been this time. Else government will continue to be totally paralyzed. If that becomes the new normal then we are in trouble.


Back when Reagan was president, the Democrats proved to be good losers, and put the good of the country ahead of ambitions for retaking the White House.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



Dox47
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 28 Jan 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 10,044
Location: Seattle

30 Aug 2012, 2:32 pm

ruveyn wrote:
You might have a point there. If there were an Obama-Prime just like the current Obama but white as snow, we would not have heard a thing about his birth certificate.

ruveyn


I'm not so sure. I think if we had a white guy with a Slavic name and a foreign father and a youth spent traveling around Eastern Europe, there would be similar questions raised. I'm not denying that there is a racial component to birtherism, as their definitely is, but rather contesting the idea that it's the only component. IMHO birtherism isn't even the worst presidential conspiracy theory in recent memory, plenty of people thought W was behind 9/11 or that Clinton was having people whacked left and right, it's pretty common with polarizing figures.


_________________
Murum Aries Attigit


Dox47
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 28 Jan 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 10,044
Location: Seattle

30 Aug 2012, 2:51 pm

donryanocero wrote:
How so? Seems like most things people cite as grievances against obama, they should really have with congress.


*rubs hands together*

I'm not "most people", and my grievances with Obama are largely things he's done unilaterally, not things he's failed to deliver on because of congressional obstruction. Democratic partisans might buy into that smokescreen (actually, there's no "might" about it), that it's all the stubborn Republicans' fault, but look at what he's done without any help or hindrance from them:

  • Assassinated American citizens without trial or oversight
  • Initiated the largest war on whistleblowers in US history
  • Expanded our conflicts world wide through increasing use of drones
  • Signed indefinite detention into law
  • Launched federal crackdowns on state medical marijuana
  • Expanded every aspect of W's executive power overreach


I could add a lot more, that's just the tip of the iceberg. I don't like his economic theories, but I'm not blaming him for the bad economy. I will blame him for the sorry excuse for a healthcare bill he passed, as he did have a congressional supermajority at the time and could have passed whatever he wanted. I don't like congress either, but that does not make my issues with this president any less legitimate.

So to reiterate, he's either a really shitty president, or a foreign born imposter playing a really shitty president, it doesn't make a whole lot of difference from where I'm standing.


_________________
Murum Aries Attigit


Dox47
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 28 Jan 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 10,044
Location: Seattle

30 Aug 2012, 2:54 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Me, and almost everyone else in the country.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


So, that's worked out so well for us that there's no reason at all to try and change it? "Everyone's doing it" is a sufficient rationalization for you to continue a destructive behavior?


_________________
Murum Aries Attigit


Kraichgauer
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Apr 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 40,391
Location: Spokane area, Washington state.

30 Aug 2012, 3:02 pm

Dox47 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Me, and almost everyone else in the country.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


So, that's worked out so well for us that there's no reason at all to try and change it? "Everyone's doing it" is a sufficient rationalization for you to continue a destructive behavior?


Until a third party can legitimately prove to be a contender for the White House, the two party system is the only game in town. And the simple fact is, if the third party were either liberal or conservative, it would only serve to split the vote with the like minded party, allowing the opposing party to skate into victory.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



30 Aug 2012, 3:03 pm

Birthers really need to get a life. Of course they won't until Obama is out of office.........But if you don't like Obama then vote for Romney. If Romney doesn't win, suck it up for the next 4 years and get your sh*t together. Even if he wasn't born in the US, there aint a damn thing your hillbilly asses can do about it, kids! 8)



And no, I don't particularly like Obama either.



Janissy
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 5 May 2009
Age: 53
Gender: Female
Posts: 6,508
Location: x

30 Aug 2012, 3:06 pm

Dox47 wrote:
donryanocero wrote:
  • Assassinated American citizens without trial or oversight
  • Initiated the largest war on whistleblowers in US history
  • Expanded our conflicts world wide through increasing use of drones
  • Signed indefinite detention into law
  • Launched federal crackdowns on state medical marijuana
  • Expanded every aspect of W's executive power overreach

.
.


I will vote for him again, despite this list? Why? Because the things that I think are the worst part of his presidency are on this list and are where he is in unfortunate agreement with the Republican party. He isn't a stealth Kenyan or a stealth socialist. He's a stealth Republican. But since he is nominally a Democrat, that keeps him from going even farther to the right. A Republican president would have done everything on that list and more. So I will vote for him not because I agree with any of the actions on that list, but because I fear a Republican president would go even farther.

To Romney's credit, he seems rather more moderate than the rest of his party. Maybe if in office he would move as much to the left as Obama moved to the right but I'm certainly not going to count on that and vote for him because it looks like his party is pushing him to the right just as hard as possible.