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27 May 2019, 11:30 pm

It's probably lost here that neurotypicals actually refer to themselves as "normal"

In Australia we used to call average Joe's "norms" (usually caricatured as a pot bellied beer swilling "bloke" in a singlet, shorts and slippers).



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28 May 2019, 12:39 am

Stick with neurotypical. Never let down your guard. You don't have to be rude about it and it's not an insult. Just keep it at the back of your mind whenever you are dealing with them. Always weigh everything they tell you, at least twice, before going along with it, or not. If it all sounds too good to be true, it probably is. It doesn't mean you can't like them, fall in love or work with them but never forget what they are, especially if they are in groups. Be careful to whom you extend trust or confide in. Be sure of them before you do. They are okay generally but keep a little healthy scepticism right there at the front of your mind, like a clear lens. All the time, stay wary, because the truth is, most of them don't know who they are or how they will behave in different circumstances. It's not a war or even a struggle, but there is a difference and 'neurotypical' is the best way of defining and remembering that we are different to them. It is like the label they gave us, handed back by way of return.



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28 May 2019, 3:57 am

To me neurotypical means people wired "normally", in other words aren't born with any developmental delays that will always affect them in some way throughout their lives. So that (non-NT) includes downs syndrome, fragile-X syndrome, intellectual disabilities, autism, ADHD, and some others that I don't know much about. There may seem a lot of mental disabilities but no matter how many I could add, the majority of the population still are neurotypicals and aren't challenged by a mental disability that affects their daily lives.


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28 May 2019, 12:47 pm

cyberdad wrote:
It's probably lost here that neurotypicals actually refer to themselves as "normal"



That's a bit condescending , are you sure you're not an Aspie :lol:


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29 May 2019, 2:25 am

No but that's my point Mr Bueller

"normal" + "healthy" adult literally equates to neurotyical in scientific terms



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29 May 2019, 2:58 am

A person who is wired correctly (ie "neurotypical") isn't necessarily "normal". Even psychiatrically "normal". They may have other issues (neurosis created by bad parenting, dysfunctional upbringing, or have ptsd, or whatever).

So "normal", and "healthy", aren't exactly a accurate synonyms for "NT".

Admitidly "neurotypical" IS a mild put down of the majority. But its not like American races trading racial epithets- with the autistic minority being equivalent to American Blacks responding to being called "n****r" by calling the White majority "Whitey", or "Honky", or "Cracker".

Its more like how folks who are into kinky sex call the rest of us "vanilla". "NT" just means youre "typical" (ie "bland, and boring" like "vanilla"). Not a major put down. And as with the kinky sex community - few outsiders even know our aspie term for outsiders. Vanilla folks are not even aware that theyre called that, and even if they were they wouldn't care. Likewise very few NTs know the term "NT", and even if they did know it they wouldn't care a darn if you called them that to their face. :lol:



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29 May 2019, 3:53 am

naturalplastic wrote:
few outsiders even know our aspie term for outsiders. Vanilla folks are not even aware that theyre called that, and even if they were they wouldn't care. Likewise very few NTs know the term "NT", and even if they did know it they wouldn't care a darn if you called them that to their face. :lol:


That's my point - their point of reference for "normal" is...them...



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29 May 2019, 3:55 am

naturalplastic wrote:

So "normal", and "healthy", aren't exactly a accurate synonyms for "NT".



Probably not, but in scientific studies human participants in control groups are required to be "normal" "healthy" adults.



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29 May 2019, 7:50 pm

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3) People should not be hung up on "normal", which simply means "most commonly occurring". "Normal" isn't something anyone should feel a need to aspire to. It's literally referring to commonness.

"Normal" DOESN'T just mean that. It also means "serving to establish a standard," i.e. normative. See the dictionary.com definition. Hence the word "normal" isn't really quite compatible with your remarks below:

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The far bigger problem is the fear that makes people uncomfortable with their uniqueness. Have pride and appreciation for who you are. Not in the sense of "superiority", but just love yourself for exactly who you are. Be kind to yourself and give yourself a break. Don't judge yourself by the standards of ignorant and hostile people, or try to prove anything to them. You are different (i.e. not "normal")? FANTASTIC! You are actually an interesting person who has value and who brings who brings something to the table. Abandoning this (which you can't really do anyway) just to "fit in" is what is truly objectionable, and quite sad.

In my opinion, "neurotypical" is fine (as a word to refer to people without any developmental disability), and "allistic" is a fine non-negative term for "non-autistic."

In my opinion we need a new word for a category of people in between "autistic" and "allistic," i.e. people who don't quite fit the diagnostic criteria for ASD but have a lot of the same issues. (In the early days of the autistic rights movement, such people were referred to as "cousins." We need a word whose meaning is more self-evident, such as perhaps "autistic-like"?)


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29 May 2019, 7:53 pm

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naturalplastic wrote:
Probably not, but in scientific studies human participants in control groups are required to be "normal" "healthy" adults.

In recent studies of autistic children, the controls are often referred to as "typically developing" (TD). Also I've seen the word "neurotypical" used in relatively recent professional literature on autistic adults.


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30 May 2019, 2:06 am

Mona Pereth wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Probably not, but in scientific studies human participants in control groups are required to be "normal" "healthy" adults.

In recent studies of autistic children, the controls are often referred to as "typically developing" (TD). Also I've seen the word "neurotypical" used in relatively recent professional literature on autistic adults.


Yep, children have the added dimension of developmental change...

The term neurotypical is used in research
https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/fu ... 9.08121894



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31 May 2019, 12:15 am

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Oh the irony....a "square" was a term coined by the jazz community in the 1940s who thought jazz music was the music of the devil


"It was coined...BY ...the jazz community...who thought jazz music was the music of the devil."

That's like saying "the GOP considers Republicanism to be the work of the Devil".

Were you smoking meth when you typed that statement? It makes zero sense.

The post war Bebop (late forties progressive jazz) community coined the term "square" to mean folks not hip to their music. That part is true.

But the jazz community did not consider their own music to be "the work of the devil". That was what some outsiders thought (and would later think of Elvis and rocknroll).

Either you were confused about the facts (and thought that Dizzy Gillespie et al were demonizing THEMSELVES), or you were confused about the thread of your own writing, and left something out as a typo. Must have been the latter. :)



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31 May 2019, 2:40 am

naturalplastic wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Oh the irony....a "square" was a term coined by the jazz community in the 1940s who thought jazz music was the music of the devil


"It was coined...BY ...the jazz community...who thought jazz music was the music of the devil."

That's like saying "the GOP considers Republicanism to be the work of the Devil".

Were you smoking meth when you typed that statement? It makes zero sense.

The post war Bebop (late forties progressive jazz) community coined the term "square" to mean folks not hip to their music. That part is true.

But the jazz community did not consider their own music to be "the work of the devil". That was what some outsiders thought (and would later think of Elvis and rocknroll).

Either you were confused about the facts (and thought that Dizzy Gillespie et al were demonizing THEMSELVES), or you were confused about the thread of your own writing, and left something out as a typo. Must have been the latter. :)


sorry my bad...the wider (white) population thought jazz music was the music of the devil...



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11 Jun 2019, 11:57 am

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11 Jun 2019, 2:03 pm

When discussing non autistic or “normal” people during discussions about or related to autism I use the word “typical”. The only times I use “neurotypical” or NT is in a place like this. One should only use jargon with peers.


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