Paranormal and Aspergers

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I was driving to work, and it was before sunrise. As I turned a corner my headlights swept across a tree. Behind the tree was a man's figure standing in the tree's shadow. As I turned, he side stepped so as to stay in the shadow as my headlights swept the area. He had to side step in the opposite direction of my motion so as to stay in the shadow. I saw it and was unnerved. My first reaction was that I ought to stop my car and back up and purposely shine my headlights on him. But I talked myself out of going back. (Typical Fortean response to seeing something like that.)

My above response was responding to your statement about a proving an "unkown law of nature"~



First, the word paranormal, psi, psychic, etc. etc., I am using means, outside of 'normal science'. Normal would be the dominant paradigm. The paranormal things people are experiencing would be anomolies to the materialist/physicalist paradigm. These paranormal experiences would become "scientific" if explained in accord with that materialist model.

Second, there is debate that physical laws are prescription or description. As I understand, prescriptive would be, what is observed happening does so because of those laws.

You stated that to have a "paranormal" experience proven valid, unexplainable by current science, an unknown law of nature would have to be proven.

Yet, physical laws are ideas based on experimentation and observation, etc.

I wish I would have written my previous sentence better and left out the word model. I was drawing a difference between the human map of the universe and the universe itself.

Also, those aliens from another galaxy, may share some facts about the universe in common, but, that is not the same as sharing the same paradigm or model of the universe in common. I have no idea what an alien would say, only what some humans are currently saying.

If you were to say that physical laws are descriptive facts about the universe then your argument about differing linguistics and culture would make more sense to me (laws, as in patterns from observation, etc). Because facts are facts.

But, I am talking about the model of reality which says that "science" is materialism, and materialism is the reality. In doing so, it is making the paranormal claims, psuedo-science by default, anamolous, until explained through their shared view of the world, materialism/physicalism, and whatever that is agreed to be.

What is called "paranormal" does not simply mean unexplainable through science. PSI claims, would not stop being the claimed PSI, if PSI was observed, tested, and shown to somehow work to some degree. Explaining how it works, by 'science', does not necessarily mean it would be explained through the current materialism.

I would be open to the idea of fields for example, or various other explanations, which would be other things in nature, and which I think is physical/natural. But somehow, the physical material world is thought of to be a certain way by debunkers and such. I find that to be confusing.

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I had two visions preceding left temporal tonic-clonic seizures wherein I found myself without a physical body, floating in front of a trippy, gnostic version of god and the heavenly host or celestial host or whatever Christians call it. Later, things got weird. It was not in any way a good experience. I told no one about it because I thought I was nuts (I knew there was no such thing as prophets), until a few years later and I read about research into human spirituality and the left temporal lobe. A few things clicked in my head and I smiled realizing I wasn't crazy. Then I frowned because I realized there was probably no god of any kind. Damn parents raising me to think rationally and dispelling the idea of the existence of the supernatural.

Yeah I've had a few pretty f****d up ones. One is where I was walking back to my place at night when I looked down at the pavement & saw the long shadows of two people running up behind me. I spun around just in time to see two masked guys bearing down on me when I woke up.
Another one was where I was meeting with people that I seemed to think I had known once before but one of them didn't want me there. I overstayed my welcome being defiant so he pulled out some sort of automatic weapon and sprayed it at me & hit me a few times. So I put my hands up and said "Okay I'll go, I'll go" so I limped into a small truck type vehicle & went to leave but he appeared at the driver's window with a pistol and started shooting in the window hitting me.
There was another one where I was watching a gathering of people from up above when all of a sudden there was a flash kind of like a roman candle fire work going off right in front of me and I looked down and I was missing the ring and pinky fingers on my right hand. I picked them up from the pebble road and started to run but then woke up
Most of my dreams are really vivid and as I've shown some of them seem to have "come true" after the fact so these ones where I apparently die are... interesting, to say the least. Sometimes I think about poring over newspapers to see if I'm dreaming about experiencing other people's deaths but I think if I went to that extreme I'd pretty much be admitting insanity

Have we switched to freaky dreams now? Ooh I love that topic. I have loads of dreams every night. Some are awesome and some are annoying. I'm sure I died many times in my dreams and have been ghosts many times, too. Aliens, gods, global war, massive disasters...etc. That doesn't count as anything paranormal of course.

My grandma has been talking about invisible people trying to kick her out of her apartment. She could actually talk to them and hear them. These people also threaten to beat her with pillows and feather dusters. But then she's got dementia so I don't think that counts either. She now says if she always greet them nicely they would not be bad to her. So she goes to the kitchen to say hello to the sink all the time.

Some dreams end with meeting glowing radiant people in dreams.... they radiate an aura of angelic beauty before kicking my sorry ass back into wakeup dulloworld and no more hot angels

They can be such a tease....