Nonunion Utility Workers turned away from Sandy Recovery

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06 Nov 2012, 1:16 pm

Misslizard wrote:
Dear GoonSquad,were you living in this area when we had that last BAD ice storm? That was something else.We keep equipped with Petzel LED headlights,everyone should have one for emergencies.I had wood heat and a well and spring so I was better off than most people,but I couldn't get out of my drive for a long time,that's o.k. I'm a homebody anyway.


While Icestorms are bad, you don't necessarily have the same problem of food spoilage that the people whom are victims of hurricane Sandy do.



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06 Nov 2012, 1:58 pm

Misslizard wrote:
Dear GoonSquad,were you living in this area when we had that last BAD ice storm? That was something else.We keep equipped with Petzel LED headlights,everyone should have one for emergencies.I had wood heat and a well and spring so I was better off than most people,but I couldn't get out of my drive for a long time,that's o.k. I'm a homebody anyway.


Yeah, I wasn't working for a utility company then, but I lived through it. I had gas heat, but no power for about 2-3 weeks. It looked like a bomb went off in my neighborhood with all the trees and power poles down. It took about 36hrs for fire/power crews to clear the roads so that we could get a car through all the debris.

It was not much fun.


In 2003 I was working for a power company and was sent to Oklahoma/Kansas to help with the ice-storm there... I spent 16hr/day for 2 weeks driving a forklift in wet snow and freezing drizzle. That was even less fun....


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06 Nov 2012, 2:16 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

While Icestorms are bad, you don't necessarily have the same problem of food spoilage that the people whom are victims of hurricane Sandy do.



True,but I keep lots of canned stuff and potatoes,onions,apples,etc.It would be a good idea to have things like this around ,they don't spoil,plus bottles of water.Our county was completely sold out of gas,kerosene,candles,batteries.The old timers know to stock up.Once I was at someone's house and they had about 10 of the jumbo packs of toilet paper stored up,they said in the 60's there was a snow storm,and then another,etc they didn't get out for a month.
I'm starting to horde T.P. now.Plus animal feed,batteries,and I have a huge turnip green patch,and buckets of black walnuts.I like to stock up on those religious candles,the ones with the Virgin of Guadalupe on them,they burn forever,they are cheap and I think they are pretty.
And I now have a pair of crampons,just in case.And a NOAH weather radio that is solar powered or you can turn a crank to power it.



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06 Nov 2012, 3:49 pm

Misslizard wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:

While Icestorms are bad, you don't necessarily have the same problem of food spoilage that the people whom are victims of hurricane Sandy do.



True,but I keep lots of canned stuff and potatoes,onions,apples,etc.It would be a good idea to have things like this around ,they don't spoil,plus bottles of water.Our county was completely sold out of gas,kerosene,candles,batteries.The old timers know to stock up.Once I was at someone's house and they had about 10 of the jumbo packs of toilet paper stored up,they said in the 60's there was a snow storm,and then another,etc they didn't get out for a month.
I'm starting to horde T.P. now.Plus animal feed,batteries,and I have a huge turnip green patch,and buckets of black walnuts.I like to stock up on those religious candles,the ones with the Virgin of Guadalupe on them,they burn forever,they are cheap and I think they are pretty.
And I now have a pair of crampons,just in case.And a NOAH weather radio that is solar powered or you can turn a crank to power it.


Here in Spokane and surrounding area, we lived through an ice storm about maybe fifteen yeas ago, and it was a scary bitch-and a-half. Luckily, our repair crews worked all night, and so many of us got our power back the very next day. Others had to wait a few days - - but those guys worked their asses off under far less than ideal conditions. The roads were, needless to say, almost undrivable - especially since traffic lights were no longer functional - and trees would split and apart in the frigid rain, falling into road ways and on houses. All night, I could hear the sound of cracking wood as I had tried to sleep. But you know something - the people of Spokane (now also Spokane Valley, since incorporation) came through for each other. Dead traffic lights became four way stops, with drivers taking their turns. People helped each other out. Maybe one of my home's better moments.

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07 Nov 2012, 11:41 pm

Yep, this sounds about right for New York and New Jersey. No offense to those of you who live in those areas...I'm just pointing out how horrible the unions up there are.



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08 Nov 2012, 1:36 am

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Yep, this sounds about right for New York and New Jersey. No offense to those of you who live in those areas...I'm just pointing out how horrible the unions up there are.


Oh, so terrible that working people get high pay and great benefits. That's what unions do.

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08 Nov 2012, 12:40 pm

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noxnocturne wrote:
Yep, this sounds about right for New York and New Jersey. No offense to those of you who live in those areas...I'm just pointing out how horrible the unions up there are.


Oh, so terrible that working people get high pay and great benefits. That's what unions do.

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The Mob makes their money in the Labor Union Racket, non union, no skim, kickbacks, for the Family Businesses of New York and New Jersey.

All of the people who provide and enforce protection would be out of work.



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08 Nov 2012, 3:03 pm

I personally think being a member of a Union should be a matter of individual choice, meaning that an individual can be a member if they choose to and if they don't, they don't have to sacrifice a part of their paycheck and will not receive any type of benefit mambership may confer upon them.



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08 Nov 2012, 5:08 pm

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I personally think being a member of a Union should be a matter of individual choice, meaning that an individual can be a member if they choose to and if they don't, they don't have to sacrifice a part of their paycheck and will not receive any type of benefit mambership may confer upon them.


Then nobody gets the benefits won by the union, because they would no longer have the means of fighting for higher wages and better benefits.

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08 Nov 2012, 5:10 pm

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I personally think being a member of a Union should be a matter of individual choice, meaning that an individual can be a member if they choose to and if they don't, they don't have to sacrifice a part of their paycheck and will not receive any type of benefit mambership may confer upon them.


Then nobody gets the benefits won by the union, because they would no longer have the means of fighting for higher wages and better benefits.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


In short you think the Union Goons should have the power to parcel out the job opportunities. And the Goons didn't even create the jobs. The company did.

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08 Nov 2012, 5:35 pm

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CyborgUprising wrote:
I personally think being a member of a Union should be a matter of individual choice, meaning that an individual can be a member if they choose to and if they don't, they don't have to sacrifice a part of their paycheck and will not receive any type of benefit mambership may confer upon them.


Then nobody gets the benefits won by the union, because they would no longer have the means of fighting for higher wages and better benefits.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


In short you think the Union Goons should have the power to parcel out the job opportunities. And the Goons didn't even create the jobs. The company did.

ruveyn


Of course the company created the jobs. But it was the unions that negotiate with the company the sharing of the wealth with those who actually provide the labor that made the company rich.

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08 Nov 2012, 6:58 pm

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noxnocturne wrote:
Yep, this sounds about right for New York and New Jersey. No offense to those of you who live in those areas...I'm just pointing out how horrible the unions up there are.


Oh, so terrible that working people get high pay and great benefits. That's what unions do.

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That's because you live on the West Coast. You don't live in the area.

I don't trust Fox News at all, but this could seriously happen in the state and area. In Philadelphia across the river, union picketing is a way of life. If you don't give a union your job, they're showing up at your door with signs and handing out material to try to discredit you and ruin your business. I'm not mistaken, we're not talking about the company deliberately making people slaves since they're non-union. The union only wants their people to get the job, there's no purpose to help out the non-union workers at all.

I'm quite sorry liberals have their blinders on whenever an ultra-conservative posts something like this and believes this story to be automatically false since the only link is a Fox News biased piece.

Fortunately, this story is indeed false. The documents seemed to imply you needed to be in a union, and everyone was welcome to help out. See here. But I need to remind you the United States is about 2,500 miles wide with some 330 million people in it; what goes on in your area doesn't mean it's the same in another, and there are gray areas in terms of political stuff.



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08 Nov 2012, 7:04 pm

Trust me, Fox has defamed unions here on the west coast, too.
I'll be willing to concede not every union is going to display good behavior, just the same as businesses.

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08 Nov 2012, 9:08 pm

Unions exist to serve themselves.
Helping the "little man" is just a byproduct.


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08 Nov 2012, 9:43 pm

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Trust me, Fox has defamed unions here on the west coast, too.
I'll be willing to concede not every union is going to display good behavior, just the same as businesses.

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Name a well behaved labor union of national scope.

The main ones, like the UAW, UEW and Teamsters are well connected with the mob.

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08 Nov 2012, 10:51 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Trust me, Fox has defamed unions here on the west coast, too.
I'll be willing to concede not every union is going to display good behavior, just the same as businesses.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Name a well behaved labor union of national scope.

The main ones, like the UAW, UEW and Teamsters are well connected with the mob.

ruveyn


I never heard anything bad about my Dad's old AFL-CIO. And to say that only unions have mob ties is incorrect. Plenty of businesses do, as well.

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