Why do so many people think that abortion is acceptable?
I will ignore for now the strict definition of parasite. Being bodily dependent on your mother is a part of the human life cycle, usually extending beyond birth in the form of breastfeeding. Prematurely severing that dependence and seeing if the baby can survive is not a satisfactory definition of the beginning of human life. It's saying "if I do this and you survive you were alive all along, if I do this and you die, you were never really alive." If you never did this thing in the first place, it wouldn't even be an issue and from there how would you go about defining the beginning of life?
As an aside, are parasites really alive? If you remove one, and it cannot live independently of you and it dies, was it never really alive? Being able to survive independently of the body of another life form, same species or not, doesn't seem to be a rigid or sensible starting point for defining life in general, let alone where it begins.
You also imply that bodily dependence is so very much different from any other kind of dependence. I'm not saying it's exactly the same but I struggle to view it as a sacrosanct. If you were to try to define the beginning human life as a more general independence from other humans, no one would ever really be alive.
There can't be a proper debate about choice until there is a satisfactory understanding of what the entity is inside her.
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seems like this is just an intellectual exercise for you, micah. having a degree in biology, i can say that parasites are alive, just one of the many problems, some factual, some philosophical i have with your position. the decision to abort or not has flesh and bones and consequences and is far from a thought experiment.
Water is dry.
See, I can say inane things too. That doesn't make them true. You are wasting your words, spewing your churchy unscientific twaddle at me. Keep telling me water is dry, I will keep pitying your ignorance.
Just because we disagree does not mean that I'm ignorant and I do not need your pity. Also, if life begins outside the womb, than why do unborn babies move around inside the womb. Do I really need to post a video to show you proof? I don't need to be enlightened, because I already am. You must really enjoy ripping apart heart aspies.
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i was pro-life until i came across actual people who needed abortions, a high school senior with a college scholarship on the line who had sex once on prom night and a black woman raped by a white man and whose boyfriend would have killed her if she had a light baby. i don't fault these folks for not throwing their lives out the window.
Why do so many people think forcing rape victims to give birth as acceptable regardless of the mental and emotional trauma the woman has been through? Let us not forget incest as well.
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I was at a Pro-Life event a few years ago. A woman who was conceived out of rape made a speech. Her speech was about how she's happy to be alive and how it irritated her that people kept on apologizing to her because her mother didn't abort her.
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I also think that all women should be able to take free self-defense classes from an early age, so that they'd be able to fend off and shock such snakes who wish to force their desires on them. I also feel that once someone rapes someone else, they should be locked up in maximum confinement for life.
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I was physically ill when I was raped, and wouldn't have been able to fight him off even if I had years of training because I couldn't stand or walk or move without throwing up because of the fever I had. You can't tell me I should have to carry a baby for 9 months and birth it because of that, you have NO RIGHT to tell someone what they should have to do with their body when they have already been raped.
Good, because I really don't appreciate being told how immoral I am for how I would have dealt with my rape if I had ended up being pregnant from it. I am not the immoral one who might have made me pregnant when I dindn't want to be pregnant--MY RAPIST IS THE IMMORAL ONE, I WAS JUST DEALING WITH THE FALLOUT HE LEFT ME WITH.
So yeah, bye Mr. Judgy McJudgerton.
In a sentence, because two wrongs don't make a right. But as I said before we keep jumping to extremes unnecessarily, cases like these are the tiny minority of abortions carried out today. Even if abortion in cases of rape is justified, that doesn't automatically mean all other reasons to abort are morally equivalent.
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As an aside, are parasites really alive? If you remove one, and it cannot live independently of you and it dies, was it never really alive? Being able to survive independently of the body of another life form, same species or not, doesn't seem to be a rigid or sensible starting point for defining life in general, let alone where it begins.
You also imply that bodily dependence is so very much different from any other kind of dependence. I'm not saying it's exactly the same but I struggle to view it as a sacrosanct. If you were to try to define the beginning human life as a more general independence from other humans, no one would ever really be alive.
Just to point out the argument you present would seem to be inconsistent with your earlier argument,
This would indeed apply to a fertilized egg. It is fully dependent upon another distinct organism for its survival, but even more so, it is fully dependent upon that organism to develop from a single celled egg (which is not a human being yet) to something that all of us can agree is a human being (say, some point where it is viable).
Also, parasites are indeed considered alive. It might help to remind you that any animal which eats another organism is also dependent upon another organism's body for survival. Parasites have simply found an exceedingly lazy way to go about it.
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Alone in this instance just meant "without its counterpart, the sperm or the egg" not "in a vacuum".
All very interesting, but it doesn't hurt the point I made, all I wished to do with the parasite remark was point out the viability definition of the beginning of human life is flawed. No one has yet suggested that animals who need to feed on other organisms in the more traditional sense to survive are not alive.
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Alone in this instance just meant "without its counterpart, the sperm or the egg" not "in a vacuum".
All very interesting, but it doesn't hurt the point I made, all I wished to do with the parasite remark was point out the viability definition of the beginning of human life is flawed. No one has yet suggested that animals who need to feed on other organisms in the more traditional sense to survive are not alive.
Until you have a working womb and need to think about these things from a real personal and informed perspective rather than an uninformed perspective, your opinion is irrelevant, thankfully. It's not your womb so it's not your choice, as much as you hate the biology that makes that the case. The laws will never again be on your side in any sane country. Women won't allow them to change, and we have more political power than we've ever had in the past, so get used to it. Abortion isn't going anywhere, so arguing against it is so pointless and a waste of your time and energy.
I'm getting the feeling this conversation is no longer about debate, but rather one person simply arguing with any dissenter, telling them they are wrong.
I see nothing constructive left here and am not likely to check back.
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