Will it be possible for intelligent life to survive the heat

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17 Nov 2012, 8:30 pm

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Nobody can fathom what kind of technology an intelligence a billion or trillion years more advanced could be capable of. An intelligence like that could create and control entire universes with ease.


No matter how advanced something physical is, it still has to obey the laws of physics. Take a look at how wrong sci-fi was 100, 50 or even 20 years ago; is there any reason to believe that modern sci-fi is more right?

We have yet to see any wormholes and we have yet to see proof that anything with negative mass (which is needed to stabilize a wormhole) can exist. What room does that leave for theories on how to leave the universe?

Even if multiple universes exist, there would probably be no time and space "between" them (for a lack of a better way to describe it).



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17 Nov 2012, 8:52 pm

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blackelk wrote:
Nobody can fathom what kind of technology an intelligence a billion or trillion years more advanced could be capable of. An intelligence like that could create and control entire universes with ease.


No matter how advanced something physical is, it still has to obey the laws of physics. Take a look at how wrong sci-fi was 100, 50 or even 20 years ago; is there any reason to believe that modern sci-fi is more right?

We have yet to see any wormholes and we have yet to see proof that anything with negative mass (which is needed to stabilize a wormhole) can exist. What room does that leave for theories on how to leave the universe?

Even if multiple universes exist, there would probably be no time and space "between" them (for a lack of a better way to describe it).


And look how wrong/imprecise science was 100 or 50 years ago. Now imagine how different it will be in a billion years.

Our knowledge of the laws of physics and the universe in general is pitiful. We don't even know what 95% of the universe is made of. (dark energy and dark matter) To make any definite claims about the fate of the universe, and what is mutable, at this stage, is very premature.


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17 Nov 2012, 9:09 pm

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Kurgan wrote:
blackelk wrote:
Nobody can fathom what kind of technology an intelligence a billion or trillion years more advanced could be capable of. An intelligence like that could create and control entire universes with ease.


No matter how advanced something physical is, it still has to obey the laws of physics. Take a look at how wrong sci-fi was 100, 50 or even 20 years ago; is there any reason to believe that modern sci-fi is more right?

We have yet to see any wormholes and we have yet to see proof that anything with negative mass (which is needed to stabilize a wormhole) can exist. What room does that leave for theories on how to leave the universe?

Even if multiple universes exist, there would probably be no time and space "between" them (for a lack of a better way to describe it).


And look how wrong/imprecise science was 100 or 50 years ago. Now imagine how different it will be in a billion years.

Our knowledge of the laws of physics and the universe in general is pitiful. We don't even know what 95% of the universe is made of. (dark energy and dark matter) To make any definite claims about the fate of the universe, and what is mutable, at this stage, is very premature.


Actually, some theories were very good 50 or 100 years ago. The Big Bang theory was fairly well developed in 1920 (allthough mockery from the steady state fanatics stalled the development a bit). The quantum physics theory is more than 100 years old and Kelvin's heat death theory stems from the middle of the 19th century.

We know more and more about how dark energy affects everything around us; the fact that it actually reinforces Kelvin's heat death theory (and is one of the reasons why a big crunch / oscillating universe is impossible), only proves that scientists back then were far from ignorant.

Generally speaking, modern day representation of physical laws, are just more detailed explanations to the approximations used by Newton and his colleagues.

While abscence of evidence is not evidence of abscence, one can safely assume (until proven otherwise), that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, that wormholes do not exist and that we are trapped inside this universe. We have currently no proof of the multiverse theory (allthough it sounds less farfetched than wormholes and faster than light travel), but even if multiple universes exist, information cannot be transmitted between them.