02 Dec 2012, 8:44 am
Kraichgauer
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Posts: 47,794
Location: Spokane area, Washington state.
02 Dec 2012, 5:09 pm
02 Dec 2012, 5:16 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I’m always hearing this from the left.
Like how do we want government to stick its nose into people's personal lives?
Do you mean like abortions and gay rights?
Yes, it's no secret that most of us frown on the gay way of life and also abortions but that doesn’t mean we want to form a government agency to monitor and punish gays or to bomb abortion clinics.
Yes there are A FEW that sincerely want that and vote accordingly but they are too small (and shrinking) of a minority to have their way with government.
Quote:
No, they want government to stick it's nose into people's personal lives.
I’m always hearing this from the left.
Like how do we want government to stick its nose into people's personal lives?
Do you mean like abortions and gay rights?
Yes, it's no secret that most of us frown on the gay way of life and also abortions but that doesn’t mean we want to form a government agency to monitor and punish gays or to bomb abortion clinics.
Yes there are A FEW that sincerely want that and vote accordingly but they are too small (and shrinking) of a minority to have their way with government.
As a matter of fact, those are personal matters that the government has no business involving itself in.
While, as I've said before in the past, I sympathize with the unborn fetus being alive, the fact of the matter is, trying to force women to receive medically unnecessary ultra sounds in order to humiliate and shame them into not seeking abortions - by government action - is monstrous. Rick Santorum's scheme to limit if not abolish contraceptive use - again by the government - is quite mad, but had gained quite a following for a time.
And why should the government have the right to tell two consenting adults that they can't engage in a homosexual relationship? How would you feel if the government told you that some lifestyle you were engaging in was unacceptable to part of the population? Would that give the government the right to dictate how you're supposed to behave?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Did you actually read my post? No, it appears not or at least not completely.
Even thinking that Santorum was going to get elected is paranoid enough. Believing that once in office he could or would even try to ban rubbers or whatever is beyond paranoid.
I knew the chances of Santorum getting elected were virtually nonexistent, but the fact of the matter is, his campaign against contraceptives had emboldened other right wing fanatics around the country to try outlawing them. And that would have been much more achievable by Santorum's fan club at the state level.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I’ll repeat:
“Yes, it's no secret that most of us frown on the gay way of life and also abortions but that doesn’t mean we want to form a government agency to monitor and punish gays or to bomb abortion clinics.
Yes there are A FEW that sincerely want that and vote accordingly but they are too small (and shrinking) of a minority to have their way with government.”
If the entire right wing is fanatical like you beleive then it stands to reason that the entire left wing, and yes there IS one, is fanatical in the opposite direction.
If that's so concerning gay rights, why is it that there's such an opposition to gay marriage? Seems to me that conservatives use the power of the state to keep gays second class citizens.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I don't think it's been put to a vote in this state. Or at least not recently.
Kraichgauer
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Gender: Male
Posts: 47,794
Location: Spokane area, Washington state.
02 Dec 2012, 5:23 pm
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I’m always hearing this from the left.
Like how do we want government to stick its nose into people's personal lives?
Do you mean like abortions and gay rights?
Yes, it's no secret that most of us frown on the gay way of life and also abortions but that doesn’t mean we want to form a government agency to monitor and punish gays or to bomb abortion clinics.
Yes there are A FEW that sincerely want that and vote accordingly but they are too small (and shrinking) of a minority to have their way with government.
Quote:
No, they want government to stick it's nose into people's personal lives.
I’m always hearing this from the left.
Like how do we want government to stick its nose into people's personal lives?
Do you mean like abortions and gay rights?
Yes, it's no secret that most of us frown on the gay way of life and also abortions but that doesn’t mean we want to form a government agency to monitor and punish gays or to bomb abortion clinics.
Yes there are A FEW that sincerely want that and vote accordingly but they are too small (and shrinking) of a minority to have their way with government.
As a matter of fact, those are personal matters that the government has no business involving itself in.
While, as I've said before in the past, I sympathize with the unborn fetus being alive, the fact of the matter is, trying to force women to receive medically unnecessary ultra sounds in order to humiliate and shame them into not seeking abortions - by government action - is monstrous. Rick Santorum's scheme to limit if not abolish contraceptive use - again by the government - is quite mad, but had gained quite a following for a time.
And why should the government have the right to tell two consenting adults that they can't engage in a homosexual relationship? How would you feel if the government told you that some lifestyle you were engaging in was unacceptable to part of the population? Would that give the government the right to dictate how you're supposed to behave?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Did you actually read my post? No, it appears not or at least not completely.
Even thinking that Santorum was going to get elected is paranoid enough. Believing that once in office he could or would even try to ban rubbers or whatever is beyond paranoid.
I knew the chances of Santorum getting elected were virtually nonexistent, but the fact of the matter is, his campaign against contraceptives had emboldened other right wing fanatics around the country to try outlawing them. And that would have been much more achievable by Santorum's fan club at the state level.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I’ll repeat:
“Yes, it's no secret that most of us frown on the gay way of life and also abortions but that doesn’t mean we want to form a government agency to monitor and punish gays or to bomb abortion clinics.
Yes there are A FEW that sincerely want that and vote accordingly but they are too small (and shrinking) of a minority to have their way with government.”
If the entire right wing is fanatical like you beleive then it stands to reason that the entire left wing, and yes there IS one, is fanatical in the opposite direction.
If that's so concerning gay rights, why is it that there's such an opposition to gay marriage? Seems to me that conservatives use the power of the state to keep gays second class citizens.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I don't think it's been put to a vote in this state. Or at least not recently.
Even though gay marriage was legalized by a popular vote here in Washington state, I normally don't think civil rights should be put up to a popular vote, because you potentially run the risk of a minority being told by a majority that they must remain second class citizens.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
02 Dec 2012, 6:26 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I’m always hearing this from the left.
Like how do we want government to stick its nose into people's personal lives?
Do you mean like abortions and gay rights?
Yes, it's no secret that most of us frown on the gay way of life and also abortions but that doesn’t mean we want to form a government agency to monitor and punish gays or to bomb abortion clinics.
Yes there are A FEW that sincerely want that and vote accordingly but they are too small (and shrinking) of a minority to have their way with government.
Quote:
No, they want government to stick it's nose into people's personal lives.
I’m always hearing this from the left.
Like how do we want government to stick its nose into people's personal lives?
Do you mean like abortions and gay rights?
Yes, it's no secret that most of us frown on the gay way of life and also abortions but that doesn’t mean we want to form a government agency to monitor and punish gays or to bomb abortion clinics.
Yes there are A FEW that sincerely want that and vote accordingly but they are too small (and shrinking) of a minority to have their way with government.
As a matter of fact, those are personal matters that the government has no business involving itself in.
While, as I've said before in the past, I sympathize with the unborn fetus being alive, the fact of the matter is, trying to force women to receive medically unnecessary ultra sounds in order to humiliate and shame them into not seeking abortions - by government action - is monstrous. Rick Santorum's scheme to limit if not abolish contraceptive use - again by the government - is quite mad, but had gained quite a following for a time.
And why should the government have the right to tell two consenting adults that they can't engage in a homosexual relationship? How would you feel if the government told you that some lifestyle you were engaging in was unacceptable to part of the population? Would that give the government the right to dictate how you're supposed to behave?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Did you actually read my post? No, it appears not or at least not completely.
Even thinking that Santorum was going to get elected is paranoid enough. Believing that once in office he could or would even try to ban rubbers or whatever is beyond paranoid.
I knew the chances of Santorum getting elected were virtually nonexistent, but the fact of the matter is, his campaign against contraceptives had emboldened other right wing fanatics around the country to try outlawing them. And that would have been much more achievable by Santorum's fan club at the state level.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I’ll repeat:
“Yes, it's no secret that most of us frown on the gay way of life and also abortions but that doesn’t mean we want to form a government agency to monitor and punish gays or to bomb abortion clinics.
Yes there are A FEW that sincerely want that and vote accordingly but they are too small (and shrinking) of a minority to have their way with government.”
If the entire right wing is fanatical like you beleive then it stands to reason that the entire left wing, and yes there IS one, is fanatical in the opposite direction.
If that's so concerning gay rights, why is it that there's such an opposition to gay marriage? Seems to me that conservatives use the power of the state to keep gays second class citizens.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I don't think it's been put to a vote in this state. Or at least not recently.
Even though gay marriage was legalized by a popular vote here in Washington state, I normally don't think civil rights should be put up to a popular vote, because you potentially run the risk of a minority being told by a majority that they must remain second class citizens.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I said that because states have been putting legalized same sex marriage to a vote.
Take it up with the states if you don't like how they do it....
02 Dec 2012, 6:39 pm
02 Dec 2012, 6:39 pm
02 Dec 2012, 7:14 pm
Kraichgauer
Veteran
Joined: 12 Apr 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 47,794
Location: Spokane area, Washington state.
02 Dec 2012, 8:39 pm
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I’m always hearing this from the left.
Like how do we want government to stick its nose into people's personal lives?
Do you mean like abortions and gay rights?
Yes, it's no secret that most of us frown on the gay way of life and also abortions but that doesn’t mean we want to form a government agency to monitor and punish gays or to bomb abortion clinics.
Yes there are A FEW that sincerely want that and vote accordingly but they are too small (and shrinking) of a minority to have their way with government.
Quote:
No, they want government to stick it's nose into people's personal lives.
I’m always hearing this from the left.
Like how do we want government to stick its nose into people's personal lives?
Do you mean like abortions and gay rights?
Yes, it's no secret that most of us frown on the gay way of life and also abortions but that doesn’t mean we want to form a government agency to monitor and punish gays or to bomb abortion clinics.
Yes there are A FEW that sincerely want that and vote accordingly but they are too small (and shrinking) of a minority to have their way with government.
As a matter of fact, those are personal matters that the government has no business involving itself in.
While, as I've said before in the past, I sympathize with the unborn fetus being alive, the fact of the matter is, trying to force women to receive medically unnecessary ultra sounds in order to humiliate and shame them into not seeking abortions - by government action - is monstrous. Rick Santorum's scheme to limit if not abolish contraceptive use - again by the government - is quite mad, but had gained quite a following for a time.
And why should the government have the right to tell two consenting adults that they can't engage in a homosexual relationship? How would you feel if the government told you that some lifestyle you were engaging in was unacceptable to part of the population? Would that give the government the right to dictate how you're supposed to behave?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Did you actually read my post? No, it appears not or at least not completely.
Even thinking that Santorum was going to get elected is paranoid enough. Believing that once in office he could or would even try to ban rubbers or whatever is beyond paranoid.
I knew the chances of Santorum getting elected were virtually nonexistent, but the fact of the matter is, his campaign against contraceptives had emboldened other right wing fanatics around the country to try outlawing them. And that would have been much more achievable by Santorum's fan club at the state level.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I’ll repeat:
“Yes, it's no secret that most of us frown on the gay way of life and also abortions but that doesn’t mean we want to form a government agency to monitor and punish gays or to bomb abortion clinics.
Yes there are A FEW that sincerely want that and vote accordingly but they are too small (and shrinking) of a minority to have their way with government.”
If the entire right wing is fanatical like you beleive then it stands to reason that the entire left wing, and yes there IS one, is fanatical in the opposite direction.
If that's so concerning gay rights, why is it that there's such an opposition to gay marriage? Seems to me that conservatives use the power of the state to keep gays second class citizens.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I don't think it's been put to a vote in this state. Or at least not recently.
Even though gay marriage was legalized by a popular vote here in Washington state, I normally don't think civil rights should be put up to a popular vote, because you potentially run the risk of a minority being told by a majority that they must remain second class citizens.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I said that because states have been putting legalized same sex marriage to a vote.
Take it up with the states if you don't like how they do it....
That still doesn't make it right. Suppose if civil rights for black Americans had been put up to a vote? If that had been the case, we'd still have Jim Crow laws.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
02 Dec 2012, 9:01 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I’m always hearing this from the left.
Like how do we want government to stick its nose into people's personal lives?
Do you mean like abortions and gay rights?
Yes, it's no secret that most of us frown on the gay way of life and also abortions but that doesn’t mean we want to form a government agency to monitor and punish gays or to bomb abortion clinics.
Yes there are A FEW that sincerely want that and vote accordingly but they are too small (and shrinking) of a minority to have their way with government.
Quote:
No, they want government to stick it's nose into people's personal lives.
I’m always hearing this from the left.
Like how do we want government to stick its nose into people's personal lives?
Do you mean like abortions and gay rights?
Yes, it's no secret that most of us frown on the gay way of life and also abortions but that doesn’t mean we want to form a government agency to monitor and punish gays or to bomb abortion clinics.
Yes there are A FEW that sincerely want that and vote accordingly but they are too small (and shrinking) of a minority to have their way with government.
As a matter of fact, those are personal matters that the government has no business involving itself in.
While, as I've said before in the past, I sympathize with the unborn fetus being alive, the fact of the matter is, trying to force women to receive medically unnecessary ultra sounds in order to humiliate and shame them into not seeking abortions - by government action - is monstrous. Rick Santorum's scheme to limit if not abolish contraceptive use - again by the government - is quite mad, but had gained quite a following for a time.
And why should the government have the right to tell two consenting adults that they can't engage in a homosexual relationship? How would you feel if the government told you that some lifestyle you were engaging in was unacceptable to part of the population? Would that give the government the right to dictate how you're supposed to behave?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Did you actually read my post? No, it appears not or at least not completely.
Even thinking that Santorum was going to get elected is paranoid enough. Believing that once in office he could or would even try to ban rubbers or whatever is beyond paranoid.
I knew the chances of Santorum getting elected were virtually nonexistent, but the fact of the matter is, his campaign against contraceptives had emboldened other right wing fanatics around the country to try outlawing them. And that would have been much more achievable by Santorum's fan club at the state level.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I’ll repeat:
“Yes, it's no secret that most of us frown on the gay way of life and also abortions but that doesn’t mean we want to form a government agency to monitor and punish gays or to bomb abortion clinics.
Yes there are A FEW that sincerely want that and vote accordingly but they are too small (and shrinking) of a minority to have their way with government.”
If the entire right wing is fanatical like you beleive then it stands to reason that the entire left wing, and yes there IS one, is fanatical in the opposite direction.
If that's so concerning gay rights, why is it that there's such an opposition to gay marriage? Seems to me that conservatives use the power of the state to keep gays second class citizens.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I don't think it's been put to a vote in this state. Or at least not recently.
Even though gay marriage was legalized by a popular vote here in Washington state, I normally don't think civil rights should be put up to a popular vote, because you potentially run the risk of a minority being told by a majority that they must remain second class citizens.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I said that because states have been putting legalized same sex marriage to a vote.
Take it up with the states if you don't like how they do it....
That still doesn't make it right. Suppose if civil rights for black Americans had been put up to a vote? If that had been the case, we'd still have Jim Crow laws.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Really, I agree that no civil right should be left up to a vote for the obvious reasons but that's the current process in some cases.
What do you want me to do start shooting state legislators?
Kraichgauer
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02 Dec 2012, 9:45 pm
Shoot state legislators? Well, we can always dream. 
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
03 Dec 2012, 7:47 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shoot state legislators? Well, we can always dream.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Call it the Guy Fawkes Syndrome. One of these days, the explosive charge will go off.
ruveyn
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