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06 Dec 2012, 5:58 pm

I'm new here and I was wondering if anyone has non verbal learning disorder. I was diagnosed with it in August 2010 and wanted to know if I was the only one on here with it.



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06 Dec 2012, 6:09 pm

Welcome, raspberry. :3 You might find this thread interesting: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt83644.html



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15 Dec 2012, 9:20 am

There's plenty with NVLD here. It's a common condition among AS people.



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19 Dec 2012, 4:37 pm

I used to think my daughter had it but I wasn't sure if it was that or pdd-nos. She is a very good talker but she used to have language problems when she was little. They said she had pdd-nos but now her new psych. says she doesn't. So maybe she does have nvld.



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19 Dec 2012, 9:58 pm

Does anyone know of something like Wrong Planet for NVLD? It's like everything about it gets ignored on these forums. I understand that most people with ASD have bigger fish to fry, but at least in my case, my NVLD is a much bigger impairment than my ASD (assuming it's even a correct diagnosis, which I doubt).

It's so hard and so frustrating to find information on this! People on this board seem to be content debating over whether a 10-page verbose "girlfriend ad" with lots of off-putting sentence is appropriate or not. I am not aspie or autistic, regardless of what the medical professionals say. I'm an NT trapped in a cloud, driving down the road trying not to run over pedestrians.

Any info would be much appreciated.



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20 Dec 2012, 8:17 am

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I am not aspie or autistic, regardless of what the medical professionals say. I'm an NT trapped in a cloud, driving down the road trying not to run over pedestrians.


If you have NVLD, you're not NT.

Doesn't necessarily mean you're autistic, though. A lot of people seem to have the impression NT means 'not autistic', actually it means 'no neurodevelopmental differences from the norm'.



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20 Dec 2012, 7:30 pm

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I am not aspie or autistic, regardless of what the medical professionals say. I'm an NT trapped in a cloud, driving down the road trying not to run over pedestrians.


If you have NVLD, you're not NT.

Doesn't necessarily mean you're autistic, though. A lot of people seem to have the impression NT means 'not autistic', actually it means 'no neurodevelopmental differences from the norm'.


NLD is not really a neurodevelopment problem in the same sense that autism is. Once a person is cured of their visual-spatial problems via stem cells, etc., their social problems tend to gradually fade. We're NT's with an impairment whereas aspies have a completely different wiring system, which is debatably not a disorder, if that makes any sense. Simply curing a few cognitive deficits is not going to make an aspie NT while it may well transform someone with NLD, like the guy who got the stem cell treatment in India who was mentioned in Scientific American.



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21 Dec 2012, 3:31 am

i think i see what you are getting at, correct me if im wrong. you are saying that youre NVLD is purely sensory, like being hard of hearing. as opposed to an ASD which is like having a brain that runs a completely different OS... like having a brain that runs Linux while NTs are running Windows. yeah?



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21 Dec 2012, 9:07 am

I guess I could. I'm pretty clumsy sometimes and I can't do equations on paper, only in my head.



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21 Dec 2012, 10:08 am

verlorenModus wrote:
i think i see what you are getting at, correct me if im wrong. you are saying that youre NVLD is purely sensory, like being hard of hearing. as opposed to an ASD which is like having a brain that runs a completely different OS... like having a brain that runs Linux while NTs are running Windows. yeah?


It's like aspies are running Mountain Lion (Mac OSX) while NT's are running Windows 8, and I am running Windows XP with spyware and a trojan or two. :)

I'm "NT" in that I'm running Windows, just a Windows with lots of flaws and that never developed past XP. And it's like almost any computer problem at all will get you labeled PDD-NOS, as I have been.



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12 Jan 2013, 2:54 pm

I suspect NVLD is part of the autism-spectrum but I could be wrong.



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13 Jan 2013, 10:30 am

I believe I have NLVD based on my scores on neuropsychology testing with a higher verbal score than performance score (about 32 points higher for my verbal score compared to my performance score) and based on symptoms during my childhood and as an adult. As a kid in middle school I had trouble with math and then was assigned a tutor and I then did fine in math. I can not parallel park or reverse a car effectively. My sense of balance and sense of personal space are off at least mildly to moderately. Social situations have never been easy for me. At one point I thought I had Asperger's, but after the neuropscyhology testing and reading about NLVD, I do not believe I have ASD. I am not sure that I stim and have extreme rituals. I sometimes almost seem to have agoraphobia and a few mild symptoms of OCD. Also I have been diagnosed with social phobia and a tendency for avoidance traits or avoidance personality. In the past I have functioned fairly well and just felt "pretty shy." After a stressful time at work and after going through a bad experience with a verbally abusive boss my social phobia and avoidance traits are worse.

I think in pictures most often and yet I feel I have most of the symptoms of NLVD. I have always thought I was not as good at directions as my friends. I never realized I had a disorder such as NLVD that made a person's sense of direction less than adequate.

I have read that NLVD is on the border of the autism spectrum so my interpretation is that NLVD is "almost on the autism spectrum."


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10 Feb 2013, 1:06 am

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I believe I have NLVD based on my scores on neuropsychology testing with a higher verbal score than performance score (about 32 points higher for my verbal score compared to my performance score) and based on symptoms during my childhood and as an adult. As a kid in middle school I had trouble with math and then was assigned a tutor and I then did fine in math. I can not parallel park or reverse a car effectively. My sense of balance and sense of personal space are off at least mildly to moderately. Social situations have never been easy for me. At one point I thought I had Asperger's, but after the neuropscyhology testing and reading about NLVD, I do not believe I have ASD. I am not sure that I stim and have extreme rituals. I sometimes almost seem to have agoraphobia and a few mild symptoms of OCD. Also I have been diagnosed with social phobia and a tendency for avoidance traits or avoidance personality. In the past I have functioned fairly well and just felt "pretty shy." After a stressful time at work and after going through a bad experience with a verbally abusive boss my social phobia and avoidance traits are worse.

I think in pictures most often and yet I feel I have most of the symptoms of NLVD. I have always thought I was not as good at directions as my friends. I never realized I had a disorder such as NLVD that made a person's sense of direction less than adequate.

I have read that NLVD is on the border of the autism spectrum so my interpretation is that NLVD is "almost on the autism spectrum."


You and I are quite similar then. My sensory experiences are low too, though I am a diagnosed Aspie. I say yes to some OCD and as for parallel parking, there is a reason my dad keeps a well stocked can of car paint and has given up on a scratch free existence, though thank goodness I have not often hit a car. Yes, nvld, I have read may be gathered into the autism spectrum. In my opinion, the exact label is not as important as the amount of services and assistance you can get, and the changes you can make both to yourself and for yourself so that you can have your best life and the best for those around you.



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10 Feb 2013, 4:09 am

This is what I learned at uni about non-verbal learning disorder:
If the neuropsychologist tests your IQ, he or she will calculate verbal IQ and non verbal IQ, as well as an overall score. If there is a big difference between the verbal and non-verbal intelligences, an overall IQ score may not be given.

If somebody's non-verbal IQ i.e. spatial tasks etc, is much much higher than their verbal IQ (language based tasks), you would suspect the presence of a language disorder - that is difficulties with understanding and use of spoken language but otherwise normal intelligence.

If, however, the verbal score is significantly higher than the non-verbal, Non-verbal learning disorder might be suspected. The person with non-verbal learning disorder may be quite good at language and verbal tasks, and logical, linear problem solving based on their verbal skills. However they will lack abilities in the traditional 'geeky' spatial intelligences.

A discrepancy in scores may also mean that the person got bored in that part of the assessment, so it really needs to be backed up with other evidence.

Beyond that my knowledge is quite vague. There is no medication for it - it is really a different configuration of learning styles and strengths from average. And a diagnosis doesn't mean that the person can't learn non-verbally. It really just helps someone understand their strengths in learning and to identify further areas of support.

I guess that, if you've been diagnosed with NVLD, you would already know this.



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10 Feb 2013, 10:46 am

Sarah81 wrote:
This is what I learned at uni about non-verbal learning disorder:
If the neuropsychologist tests your IQ, he or she will calculate verbal IQ and non verbal IQ, as well as an overall score. If there is a big difference between the verbal and non-verbal intelligences, an overall IQ score may not be given.

If somebody's non-verbal IQ i.e. spatial tasks etc, is much much higher than their verbal IQ (language based tasks), you would suspect the presence of a language disorder - that is difficulties with understanding and use of spoken language but otherwise normal intelligence.

If, however, the verbal score is significantly higher than the non-verbal, Non-verbal learning disorder might be suspected. The person with non-verbal learning disorder may be quite good at language and verbal tasks, and logical, linear problem solving based on their verbal skills. However they will lack abilities in the traditional 'geeky' spatial intelligences.

A discrepancy in scores may also mean that the person got bored in that part of the assessment, so it really needs to be backed up with other evidence.

Beyond that my knowledge is quite vague. There is no medication for it - it is really a different configuration of learning styles and strengths from average. And a diagnosis doesn't mean that the person can't learn non-verbally. It really just helps someone understand their strengths in learning and to identify further areas of support.

I guess that, if you've been diagnosed with NVLD, you would already know this.

Yes I had a discrepancy in verbal and non-verbal IQ of 32 points or so and I have had an MRI and PET CT scan to determine if the visual spatial deficits showed up there. The PET CT showed hypometabolism in the left posterior parietal lobe which shows the reason why I have visual spatial deficits.


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10 Feb 2013, 12:49 pm

Tyri0n wrote:
Does anyone know of something like Wrong Planet for NVLD? It's like everything about it gets ignored on these forums. I understand that most people with ASD have bigger fish to fry, but at least in my case, my NVLD is a much bigger impairment than my ASD (assuming it's even a correct diagnosis, which I doubt).

It's so hard and so frustrating to find information on this! People on this board seem to be content debating over whether a 10-page verbose "girlfriend ad" with lots of off-putting sentence is appropriate or not. I am not aspie or autistic, regardless of what the medical professionals say. I'm an NT trapped in a cloud, driving down the road trying not to run over pedestrians.

Any info would be much appreciated.


lol. l don't know why this is making me lol.

l guess that is kind of like me. A lot of the information for NVLD seems to be focused on kids ad special ed programs, anyway.

l've read about NVLD possible leading to schizoid personality disorder. l'm not aware of your specific quirks but for me l feel like my brain has split the way an autistic's can, but that there is an NT self in there somewhere liek you said.

l'm not sure of the connection, since so little attention is paid to adult NVLD, maybe some of these people are labeled as schizoids and handled that way. lt's a closer fit for me.


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