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07 Dec 2012, 11:06 pm

Okay, so I know a young girl who I learned very recently is bi-polar. Now I only learned this a few days ago, at the same time she found out that I have aspergers. I noticed there was something wrong with her, but I was never sure what it was. I asked if she was autistic, and she had no idea what that is. But there was definitely something out of the ordinary, because she talked to me rudely, insulted me constantly, would try to ignore me and run away, and a couple of times attacked me physically. I yelled at her once for it, with a lot of swearing and asking why she does that to me when Im so nice to her. It didnt end up well at all (Even ending with me calling her the dreaded R word). And I also got into really big trouble because of something I did with her recently, so we really arent supposed to see each other much without an adult around, and I have to be really careful about what I say and do around her. So, how am I supposed to approach her? What can we talk about? And how do I deal with her when she tries to talk to me mean? Any help is highly appreciated.


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08 Dec 2012, 12:02 am

modernmax wrote:
Okay, so I know a young girl who I learned very recently is bi-polar. Now I only learned this a few days ago, at the same time she found out that I have aspergers. I noticed there was something wrong with her, but I was never sure what it was. I asked if she was autistic, and she had no idea what that is. But there was definitely something out of the ordinary, because she talked to me rudely, insulted me constantly, would try to ignore me and run away, and a couple of times attacked me physically. I yelled at her once for it, with a lot of swearing and asking why she does that to me when Im so nice to her. It didnt end up well at all (Even ending with me calling her the dreaded R word). And I also got into really big trouble because of something I did with her recently, so we really arent supposed to see each other much without an adult around, and I have to be really careful about what I say and do around her. So, how am I supposed to approach her? What can we talk about? And how do I deal with her when she tries to talk to me mean? Any help is highly appreciated.


Ok let's go through this. She was rude and ran away and attacked you. If someone does this, it's best to keep away from them.

Why she does that to you when you are nice to her? I don't know the whole situation, but I would behave like that if someone was in my personal space. Another message to back off, unless she approaches you.

You also did something with her which got you into trouble and now you have to be supervised around her. You ask how do I approach her and what to talk about? My answer is to not approach her or speak to her, unless she speaks to you first. Be polite to her, but go about your business normally and don't try to push her boundaries.

In summary this is not a person to make friends with, because of her behaviour towards you. The bipolar has nothing to do with it. Find someone else to make friends with and forget about her.

This is my reading of the situation based on the information you have given here.



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08 Dec 2012, 12:35 am

Im trying to be friends with her because there is no one else to hang with where I live, so I dont have much of a choice unless I wanted to be one of those "forever alone" guys. And I would also say that being bi-polar does have something to do with it, if she's having mania. I think she would be a little kinder if she didn't have it.


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09 Dec 2012, 12:18 pm

So you think that her rudeness to you is due to mania? Let's say that's the case. It's very plausible.

Myself as a case study of this: I know that I am usually kind to people, but that when manic I can get very rude. In fact, people have said to me that I become a different person when manic. I have tended to get very blunt and opinionated. I will not tolerate mistakes by others. I believe, looking back, that this kind of behaviour was due to my mindset while manic. I believed that I was a genius, that I had a grand plan to help all of the people of the world, and that this plan came before my obligations to other people and myself. Delusions of grandeur like this are often on the minds of people who are very manic.

The problem with this behaviour was, that it was destructive to myself and others, just like this girl's behaviour towards you is destructive. Whether she is doing it because she is manic, or whether she is just trying to get you away from her, your course of action is much the same. It is probably better to be alone than to be with an abusive person.

When dealing with someone who is manic, like I was some years ago, you must protect yourself first. Do not allow her to abuse you. Do not get wrapped up in her manic ideas. If you feel that you can adequately be safe against any abuse she dishes out, and still help her, and be a friend, than this is a wonderful thing you can do. But it is like the safety demonstration on aircraft. Always put your own mask on before helping others. Protect yourself first, then help her. Because if you don't you will both be going down.

The thing with bipolar is that it is comes and goes in cycles. If she has been consistently rude to you, it is likely not to be because of mania. If she is sometimes nice and sometimes rude, then it is more likely to be because of her bipolar.

The point I'm trying to make is, doesn't matter why someone is abusive towards you. If they are, get the hell away from them.



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09 Dec 2012, 12:26 pm

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Im trying to be friends with her because there is no one else to hang with where I live, so I dont have much of a choice unless I wanted to be one of those "forever alone" guys.


Trying to push yourself onto someone out of desperation because "there is no one else to hang with" is a huge mistake. It will only backfire worse. She has already been aggressive towards you - you don't want to end up in a situation where serious violence or the police are involved with her accusing you of attempted rape for example. As everyone else has said, keep away from her for your own good and her good too. If she approaches you proceed very cautiously indeed.


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09 Dec 2012, 2:26 pm

modernmax wrote:
Okay, so I know a young girl who I learned very recently is bi-polar. Now I only learned this a few days ago, at the same time she found out that I have aspergers. I noticed there was something wrong with her, but I was never sure what it was. I asked if she was autistic, and she had no idea what that is. But there was definitely something out of the ordinary, because she talked to me rudely, insulted me constantly, would try to ignore me and run away, and a couple of times attacked me physically. I yelled at her once for it, with a lot of swearing and asking why she does that to me when Im so nice to her. It didnt end up well at all (Even ending with me calling her the dreaded R word). And I also got into really big trouble because of something I did with her recently, so we really arent supposed to see each other much without an adult around, and I have to be really careful about what I say and do around her. So, how am I supposed to approach her? What can we talk about? And how do I deal with her when she tries to talk to me mean? Any help is highly appreciated.


My initial response to this (just from reading the title) is 'like any other girl'. Bipolar is a mood disorder, not a conduct disorder. If she talked to you rudely, attacked you, etc, that sounds like there's more going on than bipolar. Is she medicated?



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15 Dec 2012, 9:19 am

The book Loving Someone with Bipolar Disorder has great advice on how to talk to someone whose extreme moods are making them irrational. Even if you aren't interested in a romantic relationship, it'll still be a good idea to read it.

(I also recommend it for understanding people with other issues that cause mood-related outbursts, such as flashbacks or meltdowns. It has a lot of relevance for me with my PTSD.)