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15 Dec 2012, 5:51 pm

I see it like this;
I understand vigilantism is wrong, but If I had a chance to stop and by stop I mean kill, I would.
He surrenders his rights the moment he pulled the trigger. After murdering children, I would have killed him where he stood.

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15 Dec 2012, 6:24 pm

I don't think it's either right nor wrong to hate him. Wanna hate him? Great. Wanna pity him? Fine by me. I never knew the guy, and he's dead now anyway.



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16 Dec 2012, 12:11 am

I don't see Adam Lanza as a person so much as a representation of a condition. His condition can be considered some sort of psychological illness. This makes it hard for me to hate him. I can only base this off of one action that may or may not really represent what I'd consider to be his character.

I mean, let's switch this mass-murder out for suicide. Would you consider it right to boil down a person's life to "Well, they killed themselves and that's that"? I tend not to, and I see the action here as very similar in many ways.



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16 Dec 2012, 12:26 am

Thewrongone wrote:
I don't see the point, why should we hate him?

We shouldn't because we weren't affected, but how about the affected?

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If you ever lost control over yourself you probably know how it feels. We don't know what had happened in his mind. We don't know anything. How can you judge something if you don't know their story?

We can judge him based on his actions, he kills children, no excuse to that, even if the guy has mental illness. People don't excuse pedophiles, why should they excuse him?



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16 Dec 2012, 12:06 pm

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There is no point in hating him. He was a screwed up person and did a dreadful thing.

He is also dead, so there is no point in hating him.


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16 Dec 2012, 9:59 pm

Probably not. I dont know what he was thinking but I just hope he wasnt Autistic. Sucks for the rest of us if he was, But the damage is already done. Now I'm shure alot of people have negative views of anyone on the spectrum



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17 Dec 2012, 8:57 am

I fee more angry at his mother, actually. She was almost certainly aware that something was wrong with him, yet she kept a gun collection in the house?? One of the neighbors said she'd even bought a new one and was showing it off a couple of weeks before the shootings. Idiot.



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18 Dec 2012, 2:39 am

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Do you think it's right to hate Adam Lanza or do you think we should feel sorry for someone who is messed up enough to do something so horrible?

What are your thoughts...

Personally, I hate what he did, but I feel pity for the kid.

Something has to be deeply, fundamentally wrong in someone's head for them to view a horrific act like this as a positive outcome.

I can't imagine living in that kind of internal hell.

I keep this link and a few others like it at the top of my browser's bookmarks:

http://missoulian.com/news/local/article_148af0e0-11cf-11df-9dc5-001cc4c03286.html

At first that reads like a simple story of "guy does a bad thing but there's a happy ending". But the deeper you read, the more you realize that it wasn't "evil". It was a sickness of some kind. It's almost as if he was trying to help the kitten but he couldn't figure out how, and some sickness inside him knew he was doing something wrong but couldn't stop him. It's not a story of good vs evil, it's a story of weakness and maybe even redemption at the end; maybe at the end he thought he was doing the best thing he could for the world.

I guess I like the reminder that there are people in the world who need help, desperately, and who may never find it. And they'll never find peace. I think it's important for the rest of us to keep them in mind, in order to preserve our own empathy.

Yes, we can view Lanza as a monster.

But I think that implicitly argues that his actions were on some level rational and well-thought-out. That he was a clever monster.

I don't think he was a clever monster.

I think he was broken. And I wish we could figure out how he was broken, and how to fix it, so as to avoid such events in the future, and so as to give some people internal peace that they otherwise may never have.

YMMV, but it's a wonderful thread and topic.



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18 Dec 2012, 2:41 am

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Probably not. I dont know what he was thinking but I just hope he wasnt Autistic. Sucks for the rest of us if he was, But the damage is already done. Now I'm shure alot of people have negative views of anyone on the spectrum

Speaking as a gun owner, don't make this about your thing. That he was autistic was no more significant than that his mother had guns, or that he had two legs and two arms, or wore green shirts instead of blue shirts, or whatever.

The problem wasn't that he was in the wrong set of people.

The problem was very uniquely inside of him.

To think anything else is to wrongly stereotype entire groups of people with no substantive evidence.



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18 Dec 2012, 3:10 am

I dont know how i should hate him, i dont even know him.

So hes doing was wrong and if he survived it would have been necessary to make sure, that he cannot hurt other people again, but there is no hate to it. There are just things, that needs to be done.



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18 Dec 2012, 3:59 am

Teenager at the age of 20, going through some difficult things in life. Mixing with the wrong crowd and then acting it out, with the availability of ammunition and guns, made it so much easier for him. I wonder if religion would have helped him feel guilty if he decided to act them out.



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18 Dec 2012, 5:38 am

I don't know what to make of this post. Here it describes mental illness

http://gawker.com/5968818/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother

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We still don't know what's wrong with Michael. Autism spectrum, ADHD, Oppositional Defiant or Intermittent Explosive Disorder have all been tossed around at various meetings with probation officers and social workers and counselors and teachers and school administrators. He's been on a slew of antipsychotic and mood-altering pharmaceuticals, a Russian novel of behavioral plans. Nothing seems to work.



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18 Dec 2012, 5:41 am

Yeah, my suspicion is that he's been on psychotropic meds of some kind for treatment, and that a side effect of them was induced psychosis or something.

Frankly, I hope that's the case, because it would at least be an explanation that I could get my head around.



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18 Dec 2012, 8:52 am

I think he was a fall guy for the C.I.A. Ever heard of MKULTRA?


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18 Dec 2012, 3:50 pm

Excerpt of an article I'm working on for my blog "Chronicles of a Lackluster Parent" I'll need your help, dear wrong planet members, with feedback before I post. you can PM me if you like. Thanks. Sarah

I'd like to direct you to a few articles I have found helpful In making sense of what went wrong for Adam Lanza. As the wife of a man with Autism, ans the mother of a son with autism, I am truly heartsick over the obvious failures in Lanzas' young life.
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/12/17/th ... s-rampage/
This is a breakdown of what we know currently about Adam Lanza. It gives a window into how Adam's life was in a period of disintegration, parent's divorce, Dad remarried, he dropped out of college (there may be other details forthcoming about his recent life which show additional areas of disintegration such as recent confrontations and especially recent rejections he may have experienced). The article also covers the kind of medications commonly prescribed to help manage various coping problems. What is of keen interest to me as the investigation unfolds will be all the specifics about Adam's medications, what he was taking, who prescribed them, whether he was seeing an autism specialist. (details which hopefully will not be suppressed by Big Pharma, there are already reports that Adam was taking a drug called Fanapt).

This article further addresses the role of psychiatric medication in these types of shooting events: http://naturalsociety.com/connecticut-s ... pic-drugs/
Nowhere here does the author mention that Adam Lanza had autism. Temple Grandin has covered the effects of anti-depressant drugs on the Autistic brain in some of her books, “Thinking in Pictures”, is one I remember. Based on the research Ms. Grandin wrote about, the autistic type of brain needs a very low dose of any kind of SSRI, too much causes violent mood swings. Is it possible that Adam Lanza was crazed due to prescription drugs used to treat depression? Yes, but it may be more correct to say that it was due to the drugs' effect on his atypical autistic brain. Worth looking into.

Autistics have a different serotonin system in their brains. They tend to need low doses of anti-depressant meds. known as serotonin re-uptake inhibitors or SSRI's. High doses of SSRI's are known to cause extreme agitation among autistics. The drugs can have this effect on other non-autistics as well. In fact, psychiatric drugs are being blamed for the high rate of suicide among our armed services personnel.

So now I point you to an article about existential depression. http://www.davidsongifted.org/db/Articles_id_10554.aspx Something that highly intelligent and highly emotional people are very much susceptible to during periods of disintegration (when things fall apart- jobs, relationships, beliefs. ) It is a type of depression which cannot be cured with drugs, but rather by adapting and shifting the world view through a process of learning to value yourself and your gifts, and then learning to value the expression of yourself and your gifts through your relationships with others.

I don't know what will come out of this tragedy. I find, though, that there are societal shifts that happen in the wake of such tragic events. Look at the anti-bullying interventions which arose from the Columbine shootings. I hope one shift is that we begin to demand a whole lot more for ourselves than a handful of pills to help us cope, because it's not only pills, but skills that really count in making life manageable.

I wonder if someone is doing some research looking into how we can responsibly support people when they do need antidepressant medication. It seems that parameters need to be in place, especially when dealing with sensitive type brains like adolescents, or autisitcs, or god-forbid an adolescent-autistic like Lanza. That we begin to see, as a society, that there is no substitute for offering acceptance and support to one another when dealing with mental illness. I'd like to see a shift toward a greater awareness about the human condition, that we have a spectrum of brain types out there, and we don't understand them very well, and we really need to understand. Is it possible that this tragedy could actually spark an evolution in our society’s will to understand and meet the emotional needs of all people no matter what brain type they have? It will spark a lot of things, hate primarily, fear, judgement, prejudice even. Will ii spark love, will it spark acceptance? That, even I have to admit, would take more than a miracle. It would take autistic people rising up and demanding answers about what happened to Adam Lanza, finding out not just how he failed, but how did we fail him?


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