Negotiating with a hyper-Calvinist lunatic

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These ding dongs have a very low opinion of God.

Actually God did not of these terrible things.

1. If God does not exist, then He surely did not do these things.
2. If God does exist and has the goodness attributed to Him then He did not do these things.

In either case he did not do these things, unless of course, God exists and is a Monster.

ruveyn

What ever happened to you calling them Christ-O-fascists?
Or are these WBC kooks different?

I don't think John Calvin's theological legacy should be besmirched by being associated with those hateful, loony as*holes.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Did it work out?

http://www.rejectionofpascalswager.net/calvin.html

He was a loony, hateful a*shole.

But his theological legacy is kept alive by tolerant, progressive mainline denominations of today, such as the Presbyterians, Congregationalists, and other Reformed churches. Calvin's theological descendants for the most part are better than he was. As a Lutheran, I've noticed that about the practitioners of my faith when compared to Luther.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

John Calvin was a bad sick man. Almost as bad as that proto-nazi Martin Luther.

ruveyn

Though Luther never killed anyone. And up to his mental health followed his physical health, he displayed a tolerance that was almost unheard of in the 16th century.
And as a matter of fact, Nazism had it's birth in the heavily Catholic areas of Bavaria and Austria (not to blame Catholicism for Hitler), not the Protestant north. Most of the Nazi hierarchy and SS were Non-Protestants from the same region. While it's undeniable that Antisemitism had existed in all of Germany - and Europe for that matter - to try to establish a link between Luther and Hitler is actually without historic merit, despite what Goldhagen might try to argue.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Luther was a Catholic Priest before he founded his own cult.

Luther's argument was not with Catholic theology but with the corruption of the church. Simony, Buying and Selling indulgences and such like.

And with his dying breath he cursed the Jews. Good proto-Nazi material

ruveyn

What does that have to do with Luther's unlikely influence on Catholic parts of Europe?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

However, in 1539, Martin Luther said:
"There is talk of a new astrologer who wants to prove that the earth moves and goes around instead of the sky, the sun, the moon, just as if somebody were moving in a carriage or ship might hold that he was sitting still and at rest while the earth and the trees walked and moved. But that is how things are nowadays: when a man wishes to be clever he must . . . invent something special, and the way he does it must needs be the best! The fool wants to turn the whole art of astronomy upside-down. However, as Holy Scripture tells us, so did Joshua bid the sun to stand still and not the earth."

Which was exactly the Church's position vis a vis Gallileo and heliocenrism some 80 years later. The Church was being pressed on all sides by the Lutheran Protestants and did not want to be seen as "soft" on heliocentrism. Poor Gallileo paid the price for that. Luther was as reactionary as the Church on matters of science and intellect. Fortunately for the world, the Protestants (and eventually the Catholics) get their business straight after some time.

ruveyn

That was Kepler, a colleague of Copernicus, Luther was referring to. Yes, Luther still had a Medieval mindset (he believed in changelings and demonic possession) on many subjects, but thankfully, his flock outgrew such notions.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer