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17 Jan 2013, 8:21 pm

I attended a workshop, this week, that talked about Heart disease. Apparently, during the 1950's (I believe), heart disease was considered a rare condition. Today, children are being diagnosed with it. That's scary! We teach our children our eating habits, whether our habits are healthy or not. If fast food is a norm, we are unable to develop a clear understanding of why "junk food" is bad for us.. until, of course, our health becomes a problem (cancer, obesity, heart disease, etc)

Here's me, 12+ years ago:

Regular diet: pizza, calzones, pastas, breads, no breakfast, fast food lunches (if I had time)
Drank 6-8 cups of coffee/tea per day
3/4 of a pack of cigarettes per day
Smoked pot daily
Beer on the weekends
Weight: 89 lbs (5'4")

I was also fired from 2 jobs, in a span of 1.5 years, during my early 20's. I've been at both sides of the fence and have felt the negative effects from eating a poor diet. I know why I was fired, and it wasn't because I was tardy or irresponsible with my job. I worked really hard! It was simply because my health did not allow me to do my job well. I was constantly forgetting, making errors, and my brain fog was ridiculous! I have come a long way and it took my son's ASD diagnoses to get me to WAKE UP. It was then that I started to research more about food and chemicals and choices. He started his life living on a diet I was familiar with - lots of carbs, some sugars, and very little fruits and vegetables. That was my mistake.

Salt: Someone mentioned salt. Salt, in fact, is good for you. Our body is made up of salt and water. We have been taught to drink a lot of water and reduce our salt intake. When we do that, it affects our electrolytes - causing other health issues. I stopped buying standard table salt (highly processed) and now buy sea salt. I noticed the difference in flavour right away and love it! It's the healthy salt you can't overdo (unless you're not drinking enough water).

Anyway, I know I'm irritating some of you and I don't mean to. It just irks me when people post with such ignorance, promoting poor eating habits. Do as you will, with your own health, but truly, it does affect more than yourself.



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17 Jan 2013, 11:56 pm

@ASDmom: you are correct that we need some amount of salt, and that it was unfairly demonized in past decades. However, what led to it being seen as bad is that some people really do have high blood pressure that is exacerbated by salt intake. We just didn't know that it was a few people, and not everyone. For people like me, who have low blood pressure, and for people whose blood pressure is controlled, salt probably won't do any harm and may do some good; for people with high blood pressure, they should keep the salt down and/or consult with their doctor before they put it in everything.

(mmmm sea salt on a fresh tomato....!)



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19 Jan 2013, 4:55 pm

Hi LKL,

My understanding is that high blood pressure is a result of low magnesium. Low blood pressure is a result of an overgrowth of histamine in the body/gut. I don't know enough about blood pressure though.



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19 Jan 2013, 8:14 pm

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but to forces people is not cool. If a person wants to eat junk food and drink big slurpees then that is their rights to do so,
you can tell people how bad junk food is all you want, and I have nothing against the government warning the danger of junk food,
but for the government to ban junk food, I am against that.

but the plumber has the right to eat or drink whatever he wants. If he want to live unhealthy then that his decision.
that was so funny about liberals they want to give a woman a right to choose, right to smoke pot, the right to sleep with any
consent adult, but yet they want to ban ''big sodas'' like now they care about what a person does to themselves.
yeah,liberal it fine for people to have random sex with a bunch stranger, that cool but eating at mcdonalds and drinking 75 ounce sodas is bad.


Wow, I find this reply quite alarming. It really doesn't sound like you have a clear understanding of what "junk food" really is. It's almost an out-of-style slogan: junk food is bad.. Without any real knowledge about the WHY.


I know junk food is bad. it about given the choice to eat bad foods or not



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19 Jan 2013, 8:24 pm

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cozysweater wrote:
I'm not sure that anyone can claim that there are people who doesn't know that "junk food" aka highly-processed convenience food, is bad for them. Yes, there's plenty of advertising for junk food, there's also a CONSTANT stream of articles and focus pieces and pictures of fat people with black bars across their eyes that tell us all about the dangers of soda and fast food and extol the virtues of broccoli.
Even the "food desert" thing is mostly nonsense. Unless you live way out in the country, even a lot of corner stores and bodegas are carrying more fresh stuff. Yes, it's a problem if you're not at least generally ambulatory, but that's a whole other issue.

Anyway, I suspect it's more likely that salt or at least salt quantities will be the new fight.

I am astounded on a regular basis by how profoundly ignorant some people can be about basic health. Even the names of major organs sometimes go right over the heads of patients I interact with in the hospital... People don't know that diabettes has anything to do with eating sugar. People don't know that there are 2 forms of diabetes. People don't know that getting a good night's sleep helps to keep them healthy. It's alternately astonishing and depressing, but if all you ever watch is Honey Boo-Boo, and you go to the kitchen for a beer during commercial breaks, I guess you're pretty insulated from even basic health information.


Absolutely true. As hard as it may be to believe many people do not understand even the simplest things regarding maintaining good health. That's why posting nutritional info on fast food menus really does help some people eat better. Because until they saw the info on the menu, they really had no clue as to how bad some of the food was for them.

The government needs to mandate better nutrition info at the point of consumption, but they also need to start taxing the really bad foods to discourage consumption and HELP DEFRAY THE PUBLIC COSTS OF HEALTHCARE.

I know food is a source of comfort for a lot of people and I understand the impulse to argue this as a personal freedom issue, but this really is a public policy matter urgently important to the common good.

Consumption of "junk food" needs to be discouraged in the same manner we discourage the use of alcohol and cigarettes.


I love how liberals think: Ok, the government needs to start taxing bad food to discourage people to help defray the public cost of healthcare. Ok liberals why don't we tax people who are very sexual activity, who go around having unprotective sex.
we should taxes them right. they are costing us healthcare too right. With the hiv,std, and abortions.

a typical liberal: whoa dude, we need to start taxing junk food,man because you know it bad
but it cool for people to sleep with whole bunch of stranger and smoke pot, whooa dude.



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19 Jan 2013, 9:06 pm

I think the biggest problem we have with food in this country is it's not really...food, anymore. We have food products, but not really food. The underlying issue is that we don't cook anymore. Most families rarely even sit down for meals anymore, too. For whatever the reason, people get so stressed out from their jobs, or simply don't know any better, and end up eating at restaurants or eating prepackaged foods daily, instead of once a week or something like that. This is why we're unhealthy. I don't even know WHY exactly it works this way, but it does.

As a kid, I had this problem. My father cooked most of my food when I was a kid. Probably 80+% of it was from scratch, and probably half was organic. I also had multivitamins given to me (usually half an adult dose) along with fish oil, etc. The food issue was one of the issues compounding into my family's divorce, as my mom didn't like my dad's food and cooking, and my mom bought frozen food. One example of the positive health effects compared to me and my sisters, all my teeth came in perfectly straight and both my sisters needed braces.

Anyway, as a kid I was quite a healthy weight. But after my mom got custody, and I got a diet of frozen and canned food (mostly Chef Boyardee, frozen pizza, and hot pockets) I ballooned. My asthma and allergies started affecting me much worse. I started getting headaches (from Aspartame flavored soda,) and in general I was just terribly unhealthy. I lost interest in all my athletic activities I was into as a kid, as my weight going up made me worse at them and made them in general harder.

So we can go all "low fat" or "low carb" or whatever til our brains explode, but it's not really that hard. Look at what the world around us that's not fat, what do they eat? Stuff not from a can, box, or frozen. They pretty much eat their traditional diet, locally grown or prepped in some capacity. We see this across the board pretty much regardless of macronutrient ratios. My friend from Poland remarked about this when he came over here. In Poland, his school lunch was in a ceramic bowl, and it was usually soup or porridge or something. Nothing like here.

I think it's processed food that's created this problem. People say "But I don't have time after work to cook" or something like that, but they spend $100 a week on processed food that's making them unhealthy. They could easily work less, and just buy unprocessed food for like 39c a pound or something, and be happier, but this is what they've been taught since birth, like it's their American duty or something. We've got cultural amnesia about cooking. I think also, to be fair, the rising rate of illegitimacy and single parenthood isn't helping things either, and further brings about cooking amnesia. It's all a big trap. People need to be taught that they can be more self sufficient, and don't have to rely on companies for their food.

The situation in America pretty much looks like this now, and it's sickening.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW-4LU79qbU[/youtube]

I said this in PPR, but this is bread in America:
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This is bread in Poland:
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So no, I don't think sugar's the problem. I add a cup to a pitcher of iced tea when I make it. It comes out to 40 calories a cup that way. Less than Arizona Green Tea. Sugar's fine, if you're cooking yourself. We're chasing false demons with dichotomies like "hurr carbs are bad" or as in the past "low fat" craze. The problem is our lifestyle and way we look at and prepare food.



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19 Jan 2013, 9:59 pm

ASDsmom wrote:
Hi LKL,

My understanding is that high blood pressure is a result of low magnesium. Low blood pressure is a result of an overgrowth of histamine in the body/gut. I don't know enough about blood pressure though.

It's complex. There's a hormones called vasopressin, renin, and angiotensin that also play a large role.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_pressure
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasopressin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angiotensin
http://longevity.about.com/od/abouthigh ... sodium.htm
Basically, some people's kidneys can't excrete the excess salt fast enough, meaning that they retain water, meaning that their blood pressure is high.
Another factor that can cause high p/p is excess fat; the extra tissue basically means miles and miles of extra capillaries that the heart has to pump blood through.
Too much histamine absolutely can cause low b/p, but that's just one factor out of many (and not even the most common one.) I have low b/p and a family history of low b/p, and a low hr as well - people in my family die of cancer, not heart disease - but I don't have an overproduction of histamines anywhere.



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19 Jan 2013, 10:30 pm

LKL wrote:
ASDsmom wrote:
Hi LKL,

My understanding is that high blood pressure is a result of low magnesium. Low blood pressure is a result of an overgrowth of histamine in the body/gut. I don't know enough about blood pressure though.

It's complex. There's a hormones called vasopressin, renin, and angiotensin that also play a large role.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_pressure
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasopressin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angiotensin
http://longevity.about.com/od/abouthigh ... sodium.htm
Basically, some people's kidneys can't excrete the excess salt fast enough, meaning that they retain water, meaning that their blood pressure is high.
Another factor that can cause high p/p is excess fat; the extra tissue basically means miles and miles of extra capillaries that the heart has to pump blood through.
Too much histamine absolutely can cause low b/p, but that's just one factor out of many (and not even the most common one.) I have low b/p and a family history of low b/p, and a low hr as well - people in my family die of cancer, not heart disease - but I don't have an overproduction of histamines anywhere.


I'm particularly sensitive to salt raising my blood pressure.



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20 Jan 2013, 8:29 pm

billiscool wrote:
I know junk food is bad. it about given the choice to eat bad foods or not


Hm, ok. So you want the right to eat chemically (artificially) enhanced foods.
The law says you are allowed.



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20 Jan 2013, 8:31 pm

1000Knives wrote:
the biggest problem we have with food in this country is it's not really...food, anymore.


I can't agree with you more!



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20 Jan 2013, 8:37 pm

LKL wrote:
ASDsmom wrote:
Hi LKL,

My understanding is that high blood pressure is a result of low magnesium. Low blood pressure is a result of an overgrowth of histamine in the body/gut. I don't know enough about blood pressure though.

It's complex. There's a hormones called vasopressin, renin, and angiotensin that also play a large role.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_pressure
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasopressin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angiotensin
http://longevity.about.com/od/abouthigh ... sodium.htm
Basically, some people's kidneys can't excrete the excess salt fast enough, meaning that they retain water, meaning that their blood pressure is high.
Another factor that can cause high p/p is excess fat; the extra tissue basically means miles and miles of extra capillaries that the heart has to pump blood through.
Too much histamine absolutely can cause low b/p, but that's just one factor out of many (and not even the most common one.) I have low b/p and a family history of low b/p, and a low hr as well - people in my family die of cancer, not heart disease - but I don't have an overproduction of histamines anywhere.


Thanks for the links. I'm not sure how credible wikipedia is though but I'll take a peek. One thing I want to add though, is that heart disease is not a result from consuming high fats. It's a result of consuming high levels of unhealthy fats and oils (unsaturated, poorly-processed - trans fats, etc). The theory that all fats causes heart attackes/strokes has been rebunked, time and time again, by the original doctor (or scientist) who made that claim in the first place.



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20 Jan 2013, 8:42 pm

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I'm particularly sensitive to salt raising my blood pressure.


I wonder if this is the real case or if it's what your family physician has told you. Next time I attend my workshop, I'll ask about the relationship btwn salt and blood pressure.



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20 Jan 2013, 9:02 pm

ASDsmom wrote:
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I'm particularly sensitive to salt raising my blood pressure.


I wonder if this is the real case or if it's what your family physician has told you. Next time I attend my workshop, I'll ask about the relationship btwn salt and blood pressure.


No, my family physician never told me it, it's just something I picked up on over the years. If I had too much salt, my face would get red, I'd have to go to the bathroom more, etc. Just my own observations, not my doctor.

Oddly all the women in my family puts gobs of salt on all their food. My dad puts fairly reasonable amounts in his, so maybe women need more salt or something, no idea.

But for me, high blood pressure. I have a blood pressure cuff I use pretty frequently, too, just to check stuff for the hell of it.



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20 Jan 2013, 9:16 pm

ASDsmom wrote:
LKL wrote:
ASDsmom wrote:
Hi LKL,

My understanding is that high blood pressure is a result of low magnesium. Low blood pressure is a result of an overgrowth of histamine in the body/gut. I don't know enough about blood pressure though.

It's complex. There's a hormones called vasopressin, renin, and angiotensin that also play a large role.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_pressure
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasopressin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angiotensin
http://longevity.about.com/od/abouthigh ... sodium.htm
Basically, some people's kidneys can't excrete the excess salt fast enough, meaning that they retain water, meaning that their blood pressure is high.
Another factor that can cause high p/p is excess fat; the extra tissue basically means miles and miles of extra capillaries that the heart has to pump blood through.
Too much histamine absolutely can cause low b/p, but that's just one factor out of many (and not even the most common one.) I have low b/p and a family history of low b/p, and a low hr as well - people in my family die of cancer, not heart disease - but I don't have an overproduction of histamines anywhere.


Thanks for the links. I'm not sure how credible wikipedia is though but I'll take a peek. One thing I want to add though, is that heart disease is not a result from consuming high fats. It's a result of consuming high levels of unhealthy fats and oils (unsaturated, poorly-processed - trans fats, etc). The theory that all fats causes heart attackes/strokes has been rebunked, time and time again, by the original doctor (or scientist) who made that claim in the first place.

It's true that dietary fat can be good or bad depending on the type, and that consuming a balanced fat diet is important. However, like the salt, some people's bodies intrinsically produce lots and lots of 'bad' fats, and the measure of those is what is associated with heart and vascular disease. For example, there are a few people locally whose blood we can't even test for many things here in our hospital laboratory, because even when they haven't eaten for 12 hours their serum is so loaded with emulsified fat that it is opaque white, like straight milk. We have to send their blood off to a place with an ultracentrfuge that spins at such high speeds that even emulsified fat collects on the top like a cream layer, and then they can test the serum underneath that. A lot of those people will die young, through no fault of their own.

One big problem associated with the 'fats are bad' issue is that most processed foods that declare, 'fat free,' have simply added tons of sugar to make up for the lost taste.

Mmmm, smoked wild salmon... no added sugar, lots of good fats. :)