Is Winston Wu a Misogynist?

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06 Nov 2013, 12:34 pm

Those Jamaican gigolos are notoriously bad in bed. All big penis and no idea what to do with it. I prefer my 6-inch-penised, British boyfriend who knows how to do foreplay and who I have stuff in common with.

I do know an old woman with a thing for black men and she has been quite stupid about it in the past - sleeping with young African guys who want passports. Now she mainly goes for older black men who are already British citizens, which is sensible.

I have nothing against black guys or guys with big dicks (if I didn't have my boyfriend, I would sleep with guys in either or both categories if I liked them,) but I'd never do sex tourism because it's fake and probably not that rewarding (for the tourist, that is.) I'd rather not sleep with someone who thought I was ugly (which as I get older will probably exclude everyone, but I'm okay with that because I'm a proud person.)

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06 Nov 2013, 4:24 pm

A friend of mine is contemplating going to The Gambia for work (with her family), and she says that a huge part of the economy there is elderly women from the British Isles going there for sex tourism. She says you'll see obese 70-something women in the airports with young men who look like olympic athletes hanging all over them.

I don't get that any more than I get it when it's a Rush Limbaugh-type with 16 year old girls in Thailand.

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06 Nov 2013, 6:00 pm

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I'd never do sex tourism because it's fake and probably not that rewarding (for the tourist, that is.) I'd rather not sleep with someone who thought I was ugly (which as I get older will probably exclude everyone, but I'm okay with that because I'm a proud person.)

I'll have to remember to resurrect this thread 30 years from now. It will be interesting to see whether Puddingmouse still says "I'm not having coitus with anyone who thinks I'm not sexy!", or if she will change her tune a bit: "Oh, to Hell with it! I just want a handsome, young buck to administer me a good, stiff poke! And, I'll pay whatever I have to pay!" :wink:

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06 Nov 2013, 6:27 pm

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I will kill myself before I pay for sex. I'm being serious.

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06 Nov 2013, 6:41 pm

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puddingmouse wrote:

I will kill myself before I pay for sex. I'm being serious.

I am female too, and it would depend on what I would get out of my money. I am not against paying for quality and treating it like a massage, more like a medical thing, not a weird, sleazy, thing. I don't like thinking of what I would be paying. I would like to think of it as clinical and therapeutic and would want someone I can stand being in the same room with lol. I' m really picky. If it's someone I can stand being in the same room with and it's really clean with them doing everything and me benefiting, I would pay. It might actually be kinda nice. No strings attached and I am not expected to perform for anyone, they do everything for me. That sounds perfect for me.

As far as paying some street walker or male escort, no. I would never pay one of those either. I want a professional and want it to be more scientific than some illegal, shady enterprise and so far, sex isn't treated like that so as it is right now, I wouldn't pay either.

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06 Nov 2013, 8:03 pm

Thirty years from now, you won't be the same person you are today. And, Feminism will be completely different.

Anyway, thinking again about the Julie Bindel article

http://www.newstatesman.com/2013/08/ras ... lk-bottles

I usually have a very difficult time when it comes to interpreting women, but I wonder if she is just being coy?

Julie Bindel wrote:

Over the past decade, I have been researching the increase in female sex tourism in underdeveloped and poorer countries.

If she really has such a keen, passionate interest in this topic, then why on Earth wouldn't she go ahead and participate in the activities?

Julie Bindel wrote:

...Barbara is one such woman. In her late fifties and divorced, she travelled to Jamaica for her first holiday alone last winter. She had fantasies about sunbathing on white sand and swimming in a clear blue sea, but no plans for a holiday romance. Her destination was an all-inclusive resort in Negril, on the western tip of Jamaica, one of the biggest destinations for female sex tourism. “I got off the plane at Montego Bay and – boom! – there he was,” she tells me over the phone from her home town of Sheffield. “I have never seen a man as fit as Chris. His locks were down his back and his legs were like a footballer’s. I thought, ‘Why is he looking at me like he fancies me? I’m not his type.’”

Soon Barbara threw aside her inhibitions and realised she could behave in a way she would never dare to at home. “It was like total freedom. Chris was all over me and I couldn’t get enough of that beautiful body. He showered me with compliments about my legs, my hair, how I smelled, everything. He even said he liked my accent.” Barbara’s previous marriage had been abusive and damaging, leaving her feeling “worthless and like no man would ever look at me again. Chris made me feel gorgeous and special straight away.”...

This section reads like one of those trashy Harlequin Feminist romance novels. Whose vagina is not becoming moist and tingly at this moment?

Then, that extremely Feminist-sounding conclusion:

Julie Bindel wrote:

But the women travelling for sex and love are not being deterred and nor are the impoverished young men who have only their own bodies to sell. Our hesitation in describing women such as Barbara as “sex tourists”, and the acceptance of the illusion that it’s about romance and love, further allow us to justify a racist and colonialist view of black male sexuality. For the women, it perpetuates a view of themselves as worthless, because most of these faux romances have no longevity or honesty. For the men, it confirms that the legacy of slavery, under which the black body was commodified and dehumanised, is not far behind them.

She really wants us to believe that she is a goody-two-shoes virgin? Well, maybe if she wants to continue writing for Feminist blogs, or cares about her reputation, then she feels that she must act the part. Winston Wu quite obviously no longer has any reputation worth protecting. He can be as salacious as he wants, without feeling that he has to conclude with a defensive statement that protects his sense of chastity.

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06 Nov 2013, 8:15 pm

Well, here is an understandable explanation:

http://travel.ninemsn.com.au/holidaytyp ... m-hotspots

David Wilson wrote:

...Global tourism and the sex trade have made the world "a gigantic theme park", it has been said. That picture apparently applies to tourists of both genders. Female sex tourism (or "romance travel", as some call it) goes on everywhere from the Gambia to the Holyland, for primal reasons.

"I totally understand why more and more British single women like me are going on holiday looking for sex," corporate head-hunter Nicky Jardine told the UK's Daily Mail in a 2008 story about female sex tourism. "It's the easiest thing in the world to pick up a young, handsome guy who will tell you you are beautiful and make passionate love to you," said Jardine.

Some exotic gigolos will do much more than that, according to the author of a book that addresses the "revolution in mate selection", Jeannette Belliveau. "If you go on vacation, if the guy has all the time in the world to borrow a boat and show you the starfish in the lagoon, and talk to you afterwards and have a meal, and rub your back, he's a more attractive mate," Belliveau told Globalpost in April this year.

In the past [2006 Observer], Belliveau has slammed anyone who thinks that adventurous women should not date outside their race or economic group. According to Belliveau, critics who take that line are like members of the British far-right National Front party.

Her anger underlines just how much bad blood that female sex tourism generates. She was, she claims, smeared by a British tabloid that depicted her as a reactionary who saw exotic gigolos as "sexual conmen".

No wonder the female sex tourism scene is so secretive. Few except zealous opponents care to discuss the subject. For a suggestive peek behind the curtain, read our guide to destinations that lure female tourists in search of steamy flings with "tour guides"....

The article continues with brief descriptions of various destinations for the female sex tourists.

No women seem willing to stand up and proclaim their international sexploits. But, a market for information does seem to exist. Probably a woman with some writing talent and a lack of overt prudery would be able to sell quite a lot of travel books.

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06 Nov 2013, 8:20 pm

I find I become less interested in sexual intercourse as I get older - although it is nice. But I couldn't see having sex with someone I didn't know just for the sake of it. I'd rather just masturbate.

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06 Nov 2013, 9:46 pm

I wouldn't go to all that trouble just to get laid, Arrant, it's the different between men and women. If I could have an experience that was professional, therapeutic and safe I might consider it but it would have to be with someone I am extremely comfortable with which lets out the majority of people. I wouldn't waste my money on the sleazebag side of it though and would never consider being a sexual tourist that just sounds bizarre and something a guy would do.

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07 Nov 2013, 2:57 am

I don't have every value I have and do everything I do because of feminism. It actually has little to do with why I would never pay for sex.

I know myself well enough to know that I won't ever pay for sex, like how I know I'm not neurotypical. I'm a complicated person, but some things about me are obvious and lifelong.

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07 Nov 2013, 9:48 am

WP ladies possess absolutely impeccable morals. :wink:

However, Feminists do seem to have a knack for getting around moral issues through creative nuances of vocabulary.

http://wrap.warwick.ac.uk/800/1/WRAP_Sa ... urists.pdf

Jacqueline Sánchez Taylor wrote:

The behaviour of ‘First World’ women who travel to poor countries for sex with local men is generally interpreted in a very different way from that of ‘First World’ men who engage in the same practices. The tourist woman who buys meals and gifts for her local sexual partner is enjoying a ‘romance’, not using a prostitute. In academic studies as well as journalistic accounts, traditional notions of essential gender identity often inform an interpretation of the tourist women as passive innocents,‘used’ by local men who are actively seeking money, a ticket off the island and maybe love, as well as sexual experience. Thus they have been sympathetically described as ‘lonely women’ whose ‘economic and social ability to travel alone is being exploited by Caribbean tourism’ and by the ‘beach boys’ who offer the possibility either of a ‘holiday romance’ or ‘sexual harassment’ (Momsen 1994:116). Indeed, few studies refer to the phenomenon of ‘female sex tourism’, but prefer instead the term ‘romance tourism’ (Dahles and Bras 1999; Momsen 1994; Pruitt and LaFont 1995; Meisch 1995). Some even suggest that ‘romance tourism’ has positive features, in that it supposedly provides a space for challenging traditional gender roles:

Pruitt and LaFont, 1995 wrote:

Whereas sex tourism serves to perpetuate gender roles and reinforce power relations of male dominance and female subordination, romance tourism in Jamaica provides an arena for change. By drawing on their respective traditional gender models as well as their imaginings and idealisations of each other and new possibilities the partners in these relationships explore new avenues for negotiating femaleness and maleness.

See? When men do it, it is "bad." When women do it, it is "good."

By giving a boy meals and gifts, a Feminist is enjoying a "romance", and not paying for coitus. Her conscience is perfectly clear. No "perpetuating gender roles and reinforcing power of male dominance and female subordination" is involved. Plus, they're "using their imaginings and idealisations to explore new avenues for negotiating femaleness and maleness." What could possibly be more wholesome? :wink:

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07 Nov 2013, 11:27 am

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The gender differences in what the sex tourists are seeking are quite fascinating.

Typically, a male sex tourist goes to Thailand in search of a sweet, petite, submissive, diminutive feminine woman with a nice pair of buns and a slender waist.

The ladies seem to be looking for the big, athletic, alpha-dog types who could be the captain of a rugby team. No wimpy betas for them: far too many of them back home.

Which seems that it could easily get rather dangerous for the frail, elderly female sex tourist, if the gigolo's temper flared up.

Which: okay, I can see why masturbation might be the preferred solution for some.

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07 Nov 2013, 11:40 am

It could be scientific, Arrant, the science of feeling good, and it can apply to both men and women. I envision these wonderful places, sorta like palaces only not as big and elaborate, just as inviting and opulent, very warm and cozy, too, with the right fragrance so people feel relaxed and instantly at home there. It can be a therapeutic place, kinda like a spa, to see to people's physical and psychological well being without any stupid bs or illegal activity. Actually, it might work better for women because they are more straight forward about what they like while men can get into weirder things. It would be nice to create a legal oasis for women where they can relax in a clean, safe environment and not feel all weird and sleazy, but just feel good.

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07 Nov 2013, 3:46 pm

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Sorry, but I just can't help imagining you, 30 years from now, relaxing on a tropical beach, with one handsome young man gently massaging your feet, whilst another lovingly peels grapes and feeds them to you. :wink:

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07 Nov 2013, 3:54 pm

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You've watched Emmanuelle 2?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1X7kwfwcXA[/youtube]

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07 Nov 2013, 5:32 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:

puddingmouse wrote:

Whilst thinking I'm a fat slag and wanting to steal my purse. No thanks.

I'm thinking maybe I'll have a girlfriend once I stop being less attractive than 99% of women my age. By 50 or so, a lot of them will catch up to me in the ugly stakes and maybe some of the lezzers will be more open-minded about me being bi, since they'd have seen more of life. That or I'll drink, a lot.*

*this is self-effacing humour

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