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13 Jan 2013, 12:34 pm

Is it haunted?



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13 Jan 2013, 12:40 pm

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Is it haunted?


By the ghost of St Joseph. :P


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13 Jan 2013, 1:06 pm

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A religious insult is forbidden in Andorra, Cyprus, Croatia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Spain, Finland, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Italy, Lithuania, Norway, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Russian Federation, Slovakia, Switzerland, Turkey and Ukraine. To me, they're just the same as laws against blasphemy.


Several political parties (liberals, socialists, liberal democrats, labour, greens) have tried for years to get the Dutch anti-blasphemy law abolished. They succeeded in November last year. :D The reason why it took so long is because we always have coalition governments, and most of the time, one of the coalition partners is a christian party. But since November we have a liberal-labour coalition that isn't dependant on support from a christian party in both Second and First Chambers.

It was a dead law anyway. Blasphemy and ridicule of religion is a regular occurance on Dutch TV and nobody has ever been fined for it.



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13 Jan 2013, 1:17 pm

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Several political parties (liberals, socialists, liberal democrats, labour, greens) have tried for years to get the Dutch anti-blasphemy law abolished.


I bet the SGP was elated with that. ;)



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13 Jan 2013, 1:48 pm

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Anyone want to buy my house? It is up for sale. :wink:

Aha! ;)


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13 Jan 2013, 3:58 pm

Tequila wrote:
I bet the SGP was elated with that. ;)


"A sign of spiritual crisis - Kees van der Staaij - SGP" :roll:

I wonder what the seriously anti-papist SGP will say now that D66 has put forward a proposal to cut diplomatic ties with the Vatican for money laundering, after having accused D66 of 'christian bullying'.



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13 Jan 2013, 5:15 pm

NewDawn wrote:
Fnord wrote:
A religious insult is forbidden in Andorra, Cyprus, Croatia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Spain, Finland, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Italy, Lithuania, Norway, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Russian Federation, Slovakia, Switzerland, Turkey and Ukraine. To me, they're just the same as laws against blasphemy.


Several political parties (liberals, socialists, liberal democrats, labour, greens) have tried for years to get the Dutch anti-blasphemy law abolished. They succeeded in November last year. :D The reason why it took so long is because we always have coalition governments, and most of the time, one of the coalition partners is a christian party. But since November we have a liberal-labour coalition that isn't dependant on support from a christian party in both Second and First Chambers.

It was a dead law anyway. Blasphemy and ridicule of religion is a regular occurance on Dutch TV and nobody has ever been fined for it.


Unfortunately, Theo Van Gogh was more than fined by a Muslim fanatic who took matters into his own hands. :(

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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13 Jan 2013, 5:24 pm

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Unfortunately, Theo Van Gogh was more than fined by a Muslim fanatic who took matters into his own hands. :(

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


And that's not forgetting the fate of Pim Fortuyn - a man I would have agreed with on many issues.

Did anyone remember seeing photos of his dead, prone corpse splattered all over the morning papers?



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13 Jan 2013, 9:12 pm

Tequila wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Unfortunately, Theo Van Gogh was more than fined by a Muslim fanatic who took matters into his own hands. :(

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


And that's not forgetting the fate of Pim Fortuyn - a man I would have agreed with on many issues.

Did anyone remember seeing photos of his dead, prone corpse splattered all over the morning papers?


To make a confession here - I'm not at all certain who Pim Fortuyn is. I presume he, too, had been murdered by fanatics?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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13 Jan 2013, 9:30 pm

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To make a confession here - I'm not at all certain who Pim Fortuyn is. I presume he, too, had been murdered by fanatics?


Yes - he was murdered by Volkert van der Graaf on the eve of the Dutch elections in 2002. Pim Fortuyn was a classical liberal, right-wing populist politician who was stridently critical of Islam's growing influence in the Netherlands.



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13 Jan 2013, 10:45 pm

Tequila wrote:
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To make a confession here - I'm not at all certain who Pim Fortuyn is. I presume he, too, had been murdered by fanatics?


Yes - he was murdered by Volkert van der Graaf on the eve of the Dutch elections in 2002. Pim Fortuyn was a classical liberal, right-wing populist politician who was stridently critical of Islam's growing influence in the Netherlands.


Hm. Mr. van der Graaf didn't exactly sound like any sort of fanatic I've heard of. But to kill anyone short of a monster like Hitler or Stalin, one would often have to be off kilter.

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14 Jan 2013, 11:19 am

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Hm. Mr. van der Graaf didn't exactly sound like any sort of fanatic I've heard of.


He murdered a democratically elected politician on account of his political beliefs. So, yes, a fanatic.

As I say, I agree with most of what Pim Fortuyn said.



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14 Jan 2013, 11:35 am

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I read years ago a superstition that if you were trying to sell your house you should bury a St. Joseph in your front yard. Maybe someone was desperate to sell their house.
And bury it upside down.



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14 Jan 2013, 12:06 pm

Tequila wrote:
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Hm. Mr. van der Graaf didn't exactly sound like any sort of fanatic I've heard of.


He murdered a democratically elected politician on account of his political beliefs. So, yes, a fanatic.

As I say, I agree with most of what Pim Fortuyn said.


I actually should have been more explanatory. I was initially expecting the murderer to be a Muslim religious fanatic. Van der Graaf seems more like to be a severely so social misfit to me.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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14 Jan 2013, 12:57 pm

Tequila wrote:
...yes, that's right. This priest - what an a***hole - blames Jimmy Carr and the media! LOL! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Priest criticises comedian Jimmy Carr for ridiculing Christianity

A priest has criticised comedians like Jimmy Carr for ridiculing Christianity, blaming the lack of respect for the faith on the vandalism of a nativity crib scene.

Father Michael Daley Parish Priest of Our Lady and St Joseph Catholic Church Road realised the church’s traditional crib display had been damaged on New Year’s Eve when he was notified by a distressed parishioner.

The side of the glass-fronted boxed display in Balls Pond had been smashed in, statues had been knocked over, and the figure of St Joseph is still missing.


Bwahahahahahahahaha!

Is this chap for real? Really? He's really real? You don't think the endless stream of Catholic paedophile scandals (which, of course, largely happen because, as we all know, Catholic priests have to take a vow of celibacy), the way the Catholic Church views women and gay people, their abhorrent opposition to condoms which has caused the needless infection and death of many millions of Africans, oh, and the violent intimidation, murder and persecution of ethnic minorities (especially Jews) that has been a feature of Catholicism for millennia? I would have thought these things have done far more to discredit Christianity in the eyes of many than a two-bit, unfunny 'shock' comedian.

I'm sorry that his church was vandalised by scum. However, he loses a bit of my sympathy for going on those ludicrous mental patient rantings.

What do you think? Do you think that Jimmy Carr is solely to blame for disrespecting Christianity?


I think anyone who expects any subject not to be used for jokes understands little of British humour.



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14 Jan 2013, 3:42 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Unfortunately, Theo Van Gogh was more than fined by a Muslim fanatic who took matters into his own hands. :(


It was more than one muslim fanatic. Mohammed Bouyeri was part of an international islamic terrorist group that was also planning on blowing up the parliament and murder Ayaan Hirsi Ali and a few others who had spoken out against islam (such as Pim Fortuyn and Geert Wilders) as well.

Kraichgauer wrote:
I actually should have been more explanatory. I was initially expecting the murderer to be a Muslim religious fanatic. Van der Graaf seems more like to be a severely so social misfit to me.


Contrary to what the English Wikipedia article says, his reasons for murdering Pim Fortuyn was not only to protect muslims and people seeking asylum, but to protect 'the weak in society' in general (including people on a disability pension that Fortuyn intended to drastically cut). He's a much more complicated person than Bouyeri. He was obsessed with filing lawsuits at every opportunity on behalf of animals before he shot Fortuyn. Nowadays he writes letters on behalf of his fellow prisoners and for himself (among others sueing a doctor for suggesting that he has Asperger's, which the forensic psychiatrists already had ruled out). He also expressed remorse and Bouyeri has not. A strange character for sure., but more in the sense of 'ordinary deranged' (as opposed to religiously deranged).